Documenters: Shalersville Township Trustees meeting for Feb. 7, 2023


Feb. 7, 2023

7:30 p.m.


Frank Ruehr, Trustee

Ron Kotkowski, Trustee

Jill Corbett, Fiscal Officer

Greg Benner, Zoning Director


John Kline, Trustee

Nearly a dozen Shalersville residents were in attendance to participate in a joint zoning and regular trustee meeting. Trustee Frank Ruehr called the meeting to order with the Pledge of Allegiance. Ruehr updated the crowd about John and Mary Kline’s recovery following a severe auto accident in December. Trustee Kline is expected to rejoin the board, perhaps as soon as Feb. 16 for the zoning committee meeting. The minutes were accepted while the group awaited the arrival of zoning commission Chair Ben Kotkowski. (Documenter will refer to the younger Kotkowski by Ben for the duration of this document to avoid confusion.)

Citizens gathered to hear township plans to rezone land from Agricultural/Rural Residential (ARR) and Light Industrial (LI) to Low Density Residential with sewer (R2). Residents of Shalersville are currently being asked to complete a Land Use Survey. Efforts are being made to clean up language in the current zoning code. Following Ben’s opening explanation, the board opened up the floor to community members for questions. Ruehr explained to the audience that “a developer comes in, everything’s beautiful … and then [the homes] are placed in the hands of an HOA. What happens quite often is the homeowners association goes bankrupt and the land (shared spaces) is vacant and nobody owns it.” Land developed in areas zoned as R2 are required to be parceled into two-acre lots, minimum. Land use meetings are scheduled for Feb. 16 and March 25. The trustees encouraged concerned community members to participate.

Attention was temporarily directed at the large Light Industrial building on Route 44. As a township, Shalersville cannot collect income tax from the Geis build. Streetsboro has partnered with Shalersville to allow the township to receive tax revenues through the city. Resident Chris Martin referred to the building as an abomination, stating he could no longer see the sunset. As discussion veered off topic, residents were asked to hold other zoning questions for later meetings, including the trustee meeting to follow. A motion was made to accept the zoning changes as presented. It passed. The zoning meeting concluded at 7:53 p.m.

The regular trustee meeting began immediately and stayed on the topic of land use. Community members inquired of Trustee Ron Kotkowski about the development of his business. Kotkowski owns and operates Lakeside Sand and Gravel. Gravel mines throughout Shalersville are employing conveyor systems to transport their product under roads. This reduces noise, dust and road use by heavy trucks. Lakeside has plans to build a conveyor over a road in the future. Kotkowski invited citizens for a tour of the facilities. An unidentified community member commended the Kotkowskis for being forthcoming with their development plans.

Attention returned to the Geis build. The trustees stated that they “got a better deal than anyone else in the state” by partnering with Streetsboro. The township will receive 65% of tax revenues compared to an average of 50%. Township funds from the state have been cut. The township stands to earn an estimated $200,000 in annual tax revenues from the Geis property, allowing the township to maintain roads, etc. The trustees explained that currently they are not able to maintain roads except by “chip and seal” procedures due to cost increases. 

Chris Martin reminded the board of the township land use plan “to preserve and safeguard the community’s rural character, with respect to all land use decisions. … And to encourage agricultural activities within the township … considered an essential land use component of the community’s rural character.” The board agreed that while it cannot exclude land zoned for commercial activity, it can steer development. Discussion briefly turned to the dismal state of agriculture. 

Zoning Director Greg Benner reported one new home permit and remediation of one previously unpermitted fence. Benner advised the board to begin considering zoning pursuant to Ohio HB 52, which created the Ohio Power Siting Board for the promotion of solar and wind energies within the state. Benner reported that 24 wind farms already exist in Western Ohio, and the energy development districts are moving in the township’s direction. Discussion ensued for around 20 minutes. The trustees discussed a temporary moratorium on green energy development to buy time to determine how to approach zoning within the township. 

Zoning Secretary Maude Bias reported on her efforts to recover BMV taxes from neighboring cities. Ravenna, Mantua Village and Township, and Streetsboro are receiving tax distributions from license fees ($5 per registration) according to ZIP codes which should have been received by Shalersville Township. Bias has completed audits from January-June 2022 in Mantua and Ravenna. The trustees asked her to continue her efforts and to include areas in Streetsboro’s ZIP code. She found 42 discrepancies so far. Her work should ensure future payments are made properly.

A motion was made and passed to spend up to $2,000 to fill the township’s tank (with about 475 gallons of gasoline).

Resolution 2023-01 was adopted to accept NOPEC grant monies for energy-efficient updates.

A motion was made and passed to accept the county engineer’s mileage assessment at 23+ miles.

The bills were paid, and the meeting adjourned at 9:25 p.m.


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Jill Corbett, Ron Kotkowski, Gregory Benner


I’d like to open the meeting for

Ron Kotkowski  00:07

Brian first. Absolutely. I pledge allegiance to America


for waiting


for the zoning board, it’s gonna be fast and really just a couple of minutes so we can’t really get started without him but to the time I’ll introduce the some of the officials. This is Joe Corbett, our fiscal officer. Run to Toski. Trustee Greg Bender down here on the end heighten. He’s Arizona home inspector and I’m praying for you could do minutes. Did you look at the minutes?

Ron Kotkowski  00:57

I’ll make a motion to accept them


as presented. Okay. Second. Roll call Frank. Yes. Yes.

Ron Kotkowski  01:21

Want to explain about John,


we have a third trustee John Klein. John was involved in a fairly bad auto accident. At the end of December in West Virginia, the wife was banged up pretty bad. So he’s gonna miss a few meetings. He’s in rehab, and he had some head injuries. His wife had major back injuries and they’re doing real well. But he’s gonna miss a couple of meetings and we met a really great guy and his family and

Ron Kotkowski  01:51

I talked to him today and he he’s doing well with recuperating, but he gets a little worn out with the physical therapy and everything so said he would not make it tonight. But he hopes to be at future meetings probably that meeting on the 16th He’s helped me there so she is doing fantastic for having spinal


six hours combined, which is walking around this afternoon December should work around but better than me with my own hands


are we have a little delay or zoning convention so you’re gonna explain these changes they’re presenting to relatively small, minor changes.


Just got that part from Todd pizzelle. It’s way too much to look into right now. That’s what we gave. This is the agenda that’s going to come to it

Ron Kotkowski  03:19

that’s this one here.


So this was what we gave you. Okay. This. This is That’s it. It’s an addendum that we had to go through the moment talks about the Article Six. We’re gonna see if we thought it could be just annotate default, because it’s actually part of it. But yes, today is


covered Ben, he’s our chairman of our Zoning Commission bringing before us


Yeah, what did I miss so far? Nothing. We’re waiting for you. Okay. All right. This amendment, all we’re doing is removing PRDs planned residential developments from AR AR and light industrial, the only place that will be able to be used as an AR two district of which there is currently no are two districts available. So it would require a zoning amendment to create a new art to district and our juices are east and Yeah, exactly. Redfox. So this is we’re basically just cleaning up a little bit of our zoning


and PRDs or plan resident rare elements


also known as P UDS for PRD is planned residential developments, it’s clustered housing utilizing open space and more clustered housing. And we didn’t feel that that was congruent to the rural aspect of ARR. So, and with PRDs, you have to have sewer and water. Sell, it’s kind of a, you know, if you want a PRD, you have to go through the hoops of setting up a whole new zoning district for it.


And we’re just taking it out all together,


it’s, it’s still going to be in the book, and we it is our intention to fix the language, it’s very flawed language, we’re gonna leave it in the book, because it is something that could happen. So we need that make sure there’s an avenue for it to be done properly. But over, all we’re doing is removing it from ARR and light industrial and going to be available in our two districts.


And to add to that, I didn’t get to send this to Ben, because it was just sent to me, from Todd sheets. You’re pretending we’ll be voting on it tomorrow night, for our meeting on Thursday, and then we’ll have the meeting. This was the Article Six is what has all the tables and the formulas and how many acres you need to have a PRD. In, we asked him, I asked if we could add this to this amendment as just because it is part of it. So by default, we thought maybe it could be cleaned up with that. And he said, it really should go through the hoops that we did, even though it’s just a clean up normal process. Yeah. But for the trustees to go ahead and vote on the amendment, and then we’ll give you this arc. And a super copy, actually, by the way. In the Thursday meetings have committed to us.


Yeah, and this is just again, this is just associated language that we kind of forgot to add. And


yeah, it’s just where the ARR is removed. What was the other one? The mic? No, no, no, just for like, presidential. Or to know our TOS where it’s gonna stay. Because we have our two it used to say our one that was common before I


started drinking, or one striking day.


It was like low residential low density. That’s where it was taken out of everything except our to this will finish the whole thing. Any questions?

Ron Kotkowski  08:04

I don’t, because anyone from


the audience, I suppose, inasmuch as anybody have anything just on these myths? Just on this with this?


May have a question. So this is we’re just talking about cluster owners that have a common area. Are we talking about like a residential development with single family homes that has a common era?


Yeah, any plans residential development, where they’re utilizing where they’re going for less acreage per dwelling than what is in ARR? Then, you know, they make up for that by having common green space.


Can’t Wait, is there a possibility where you can say you can have this planned residential development, but a minimum of so many acres like I’ve seen, I see these all over and they are nice setups. Like,


that is true. If you look at our book, currently, the change was part it’s currently in our book that you can have it but what are those, say? I think it’s 20 Acres is what you have to have a minimum of 20 acres to be able to do this. And then we also have how many acres that a dwelling could be so beautiful also come into play. How many quarters that were disabled family is two acres. Although residential was that one, two acres, okay. So each each dwelling would have to be on two acres, and the government has to be a minimum of 20 acres. Okay, so that’s allowed for it to be allowed but it also has to be an R two, we call it an R two District, which is the low density read to digital with sewage, sewer and water, it has those. And we currently do not have any left. Because what we do have has already been filled with these. So they would have asked for this


question. Yeah, we’re kind of striking it from all the whitespace. There, yes, when in order to do development, you’d have to request a zoning change, which is appropriate, because most of that white area doesn’t have water or sewer available. anymore, and you’re


lucky to have like, if it’s down the road to extend it like is that?

Ron Kotkowski  10:41

Yeah, that would be up to them. So if some developer came in and wanted to put one of these in and change the district, they would have to pay for all


that they wouldn’t have the opportunity to bring that to the board.

Ron Kotkowski  10:57

That I’ve, I serve on the Regional Planning Commission, or, and in our, in some of the meetings we’ve had down there other townships that have cluster housing and common space, they have a lot of complaints. What seems to happen is they, you know, the developer comes in, Everything’s beautiful, they build all the homes, they have open space. And then it’s kind of placed in the hands of Hoa, a homeowner’s association. And what happens quite often as homeowners associations go out of business, and then the property is just vacant, and nobody owns it. And Wrightstown especially, has complained over and over about the problems they have with the land that will be owns, and now it’s the township responsibility. Garbage in, your township develops out in regular housing, like two acre lots, it’s all will be totally visually owned. And so if someone decides, you know, that they don’t want to keep things up, because the township we go after them, when you after the property for things and things. One in red fox, a house that was just falling apart, and the guy wasn’t doing anything about it. And, you know, we had avenues to go and get that it ended up that one ended up in paid for by grants. But if that doesn’t happen, we can force we can put a lien on the property. So the township isn’t stuck with these properties. So that’s the current argument against


them. And they tell us that it’s not possible. But everything’s possible with lawsuits and attorneys. If you have 25 houses, which should be on 50 acres, and now you put them on 10 acres, and put 40 acres of green space. They say that green space is locked up forever. But in the back of my mind, I keep saying 20 3040 years down the road, somebody who committed say, we got all this round and nowhere to put people in don’t fill that 40 acres up like they did the


others technically insist on two acre lots can’t be clustered, it has to be two acre lots.


Right? That’s where we are on a regular finding. So we’re just taking this out of this cluster. It taking it out of the white space. It’s like he said,


does that mean that the north side of Streator 44. Development cluster homes that we’re gonna go in there is off the table.


He’d have to request it if there’s sewer and water, so you’d have to ask for some new change.

Ron Kotkowski  13:42

Okay. I don’t think he’s a zoning change, but houses in there.


Just regular house. Yeah,

Gregory Benner  13:48

he could develop it to acre lots, without water and sewer with well, and septic, which they are. But there was really never a proposal for any of that. There was just talk about it.

Ron Kotkowski  14:02

But he said he said drawings and everything. I mean, it wasn’t an official proposal, but he wanted


one time it was like, like one and a half houses for every two acres or something that he wanted to go higher density than what was allowed. He

Ron Kotkowski  14:21

did want to go higher density. I think there was this vehicle, whether that was its conditionally permitted use in that area.


When he was looking at condos, yes. Yeah. It is conditionally.

Ron Kotkowski  14:32

Yeah. And he may be able to do that.


Okay. And other question is, I’ve heard this said a couple times, that, you know, Dollar General and several of the areas, several of the businesses and right here around around us in the square. You know, there’s nothing we could do about it because it’s been zoned that way since 1956 5959. Okay, so That means if it’s ARR not error. It’s, I’m just saying an error area that has a state error as well, because it’s been a zone that way since 1959.

Ron Kotkowski  15:15

What actually since 18?


What No, no, no, no, was only comment on making 59. What I’m saying is, this is commercial, just like, our guys is building that bullies light industrial, that was put in in light industrial making 59. He bought and paid for that as light industrial. We don’t have enough money to fight somebody like that to tell them, you can no longer do it. You can always give more, it’s the taken back part that gets you you can have a slight industrial say, Okay, I know. I know, sir. You paid $10 million for that. But we don’t want to. That was where you’d run into problems. You can always give more, but taking the back is gonna be a problem. This is what I was. So


anybody buys in ARR, like 100

Ron Kotkowski  16:00

acres. Right?


Does that mean that you can make it a denser by forcing or asking to have it rezone?

Ron Kotkowski  16:09

You can always ask


Is any of that coming up here?


Who knows what this that’s part of our land use where we’re having those meetings, that we’re having people talk about this, where you want to see the community

Ron Kotkowski  16:24

to go, these are important questions that should be presented in February 16 meeting because that is where the zoning board who makes those changes is inviting the public to come and give their opinions


Well, that’s one of the reasons why I first started coming is Yeah, I can call the building for for an eyesore all I want because it is I live on Streeter and looking down Street are always a she is this flat, gray slab of concrete. I can’t see the sunsets anymore. It it’s an abomination. I don’t feel it. I don’t feel it is light, industrial. Anything, it’s a million square feet. There’s nothing light about it. That’s my opinion. The problems it’s already caused, is nothing compared to what it will cause when it’s finished. And that’s just a single, square 1100 by 1100 square foot light industrial building, that’s not very light when they build the second, and the third, and the fourth, and the fifth is kind of becoming a little bit more like a Tesla Giga plant, when it’s all put together a little


bit and after parkways Exactly.

Ron Kotkowski  18:00

That’s what’s been planned for the township. And you’re looking to spec a gray blob, right now 43 C. So we’re building within our zoning board and our design guidelines board and negotiated with them about trees and green grass and everything else. So it


doesn’t fall as you would think. I mean, it doesn’t look like a 50 foot tall building, because it kind of sits down the mountain. And that’s a lot of the stuff that we’re going to talk about this, please medium.


Now, is that enforced by Streetsboro or forced questions.


The only thing Streetsboro has evolved is as a township, we cannot collect income tax by Ohio law. So for us to make some kind of money have something like that in their backyard, we’re forced to sign a jet with somebody, an adjoining village or city should provide a hell of a dealer’s use language. We’ve got we got to deal like nobody else got in Ohio. Most jets are 50% for the city that provides the the availability to have that and 50% of the township. We’re gonna 6535 there. As far as anybody knows, there’s none of that in Ohio. So we got a huge amount, and that’s going to help fund everything was state taken away from us. So maybe we can pay roads again and stuff, but everything is enforced by our zoning board, and there’s only an inspector,


so you’re in complete control and the guidelines in the 2021 Sheila’s builds design guidelines for like blank walls and facades like 75 foot cannot be just a blank wall it must have our son that would that would be enforced by you


Yeah, there’s nothing more is actually our guideline board. Also,

Gregory Benner  20:06

everything that they submitted has been approved to. And just to clear up one, industrial wasn’t the size of what goes on inside the village. So just because of buildings doesn’t make it heavy industrial, it’s the process that takes that determines


a little different, it’s still going to be still going up. But it’s going to have painting a lot of glass on the corners and different elevations from six out but it won’t, it won’t work like the Cold War, we looked at Russia, where they had this dark grey buildings and stuff, it’ll have a little better appeal, I’ll put that there, but


also putting these as well, for the

Gregory Benner  20:55

miles, they’re great. They’re Yeah, they’re gonna plant no more grass on it. And then design guideline board approved different species of trees to be designated along all the hillside native


non invasive species.


I guess what I’d like to say at this point is we’re getting a little off track on on this particular meeting, this particular meeting was for these two amendments. We can close this meeting with our regular meeting, you’re gonna ask those questions. And we’ll probably tell you come to the one on the 16th and march 25. And those are the ones we really want this one we’d like to have 50 people or 100 people with paid to send postcards out where we advertise as much as we can. And we really want whatever they want their feedback.


Question was I can hold until the general meeting starts.


That’d be great. So we wrap this meeting up. Any other questions on these two? Yes? No, no? No, no. We’re just, we want to finish this meeting up. Okay. Just two items, and then we’ll close it and go into our regular meeting.


No further questions on these planned residential developments, cluster housings? I’ll make a motion to accept the changes in second.

Jill Corbett  22:21

Row called frame?


Yes. Right. Yes. Okay. No further business with the zoning changes. I’ll close at me at 753 and open our regularly scheduled February 7. Okay, now I’ll call on the folks in the back. Questions. Yeah.


We live on past broke. And there’s sand and gravel behind us and behind them, they’re supposed to put it across the road? How are they going to do that? Like, how is it going to block traffic? And if you compare to get a crow prosper?

Ron Kotkowski  23:03

Well, if you see what we did on diagonal, they just put a tunnel


and went onto the ground.

Ron Kotkowski  23:11

The white buildings that you see sitting there that we put in on the English property there. Those are road crossing, we had a chance to buy one. And we just put it there. We’re thinking it’ll be 20 years before we do that. But that would go over the road, it wouldn’t obstruct any traffic at all.


How high would you feed to go over the road?

Ron Kotkowski  23:40

Six feet or so


that’s designed to be 20 feet 20 feet,

Ron Kotkowski  23:44

so it’d be 20 feet above the road.


So sideways and feel the bank price broke up going under a bridge?

Ron Kotkowski  23:50

Yeah, it’s just it’d be like that, that little building those go end to end and then go over the road and the conveyor would come up and go through them and come back down.


If you’re gonna be real loud.

Ron Kotkowski  24:01

No, that’s the whole point of doing a conveyor. You don’t have offroad trucks running. You don’t have dust. You don’t have noise. The conveyors are all electric, and they just they’re very quiet.


And it’s not going to be all dusty or anything.

Ron Kotkowski  24:18

Oh, that’s the whole point. We can vary. So we don’t create us.


Better for the people that live there. Yes. Okay.


Less truck traffic is not tearing up the road. There’s one on


the bridge isn’t high enough then the trucks can’t go.

Ron Kotkowski  24:37

Any higher. Most semi trailers are about 13 feet or something like that. That’s all


thrown anyway, right now. Okay, that’s a big thank you,


ma’am. I live on black room and before they put the conveyor and they were running their big dump trucks across the room that was crushing the road down so they put a conveyor inside of us relations with these guys. evident, took a lot of the traffic off the road instead of now.

Ron Kotkowski  25:05

And where we crossed on diagonal road. The lay of the land allowed us to put a tunnel under the road instead of over the road. Yeah, but on frausto, the lay of the land where we need to cross won’t. You know, we can’t dig holes in before water. So


where would you be crossing?

Ron Kotkowski  25:25

Probably close to where those buildings are setting.


So right next to the house, when you go up across the road,

Ron Kotkowski  25:33

there is not a stay away from the houses. We bought Outlanders farm. So that field west of the field statlander house would be crossing in there.


Isn’t that all that stuff that’s grown over there? Isn’t that wetlands?

Ron Kotkowski  25:50

There are some wetlands back there.


Can you? Are you going to wreck that? Or if no,

Ron Kotkowski  25:57

we’ve actually done and I would invite you to give us a call. We can give you a tour that was so muddy. But we had to cross the wetlands and we really big tires down but railroad ties. And we you know, we have the state comes out monitor us the EPA, the Corps of Engineers, you know, they’re they’re all well aware of what we’re doing. And we’re doing everything before we live and so forth. Which which house


we’d like up the hill you know, I mean, here’s Yeah, we come towards you bring the bus around. Yeah. Okay, yeah, we get that the candy so

Ron Kotkowski  26:41

you’re up by Edwards, right? Yeah. Before Yeah, see, we own a little driveway in there. But yeah, we want to cross where it’s more open and less houses in


there. Yeah. Are you gonna go into that driveway? A ladder?

Ron Kotkowski  26:54

No, I mean, the mark. Greg goes in there. It’s


gonna say it’s I know you can but it’s there. We cleared

Ron Kotkowski  27:00

all that in the backup. Yeah, that was grown up. We cleared it out. cornfields and stuff. And that was kind of a mess. With the roar East everybody thought it was our playground and


it’s not gonna knock any of those towers down to crash into our houses. Electrical Power Oh, no.

Ron Kotkowski  27:21

So those have to be so far. Those have to be put up where they don’t fall outside.


They have to fall on the property. Yeah, so they can’t fall on somebody else or that close


right just wondering because I I asked at the very beginning what we’re going to do about those towers you know, you can’t Oh,

Ron Kotkowski  27:41

the electric towers Yeah, we have to stay away from them. Yeah.


Okay. Thank you

Ron Kotkowski  27:50

Ben, give her a third we’d love to give everyone a tour. You know we’re not very


good started about a homegrown grant will fit versus corporate grant right. They live in the town and they have to appreciate that makes a difference. We’ve been

Ron Kotkowski  28:10

here since 1925. My dad my uncle started in 1954 operating and you know we ran out of our own ground a long time ago. It when we get done we create


you know there was a lot that Danner owns across the street Close to close to you.

Ron Kotkowski  28:33

And we’re gonna mind in a dance we have a lease


right what about that love that He has

Ron Kotkowski  28:39

a crossroad that’s his that’s that’s not an ST.


Mr. Danner was very concerned about not making the neighbors angry. So we’re not we’re gonna be mining. Yeah. Because


I know he bought that last month. He grows corn on Earth, I guess. Yeah. But I just wondered


about that mineral lot that goes all the way to frost. But he’s, yeah, we’ll be we’ll be when back.


Okay, so we don’t know what he’s gonna do with it. Apologize.


I had sent a letter to all the landowners that have bought our current because their project, but that was just on the south side of the road.


You guys, yeah. How long are you going to be at Danvers? Is it five years or 10?

Ron Kotkowski  29:27

I hope it’s 20. I mean, in the back not disturbing anybody. But I hope there’s enough material there to keep going for a while when the bears are not cheap to put.


When is that? The road? When is the thing going to go across the tunnel? When is that going to go across?

Ron Kotkowski  29:45

I’m hoping it’ll be 20 years from now. Because we’re going to Mind Matters property and the English property before we ever crossed the road. We don’t know what that’s future reserves. We want to stay in business for


like ours. buzzers After dinner, so we were just wondering like how long like we’d probably have a direct view of the hill. So we heard five, we’ve heard 10. We’re just trying to, oh, well, we

Ron Kotkowski  30:13

have at least for leaders.


I think in addition, there have a 20 year lease with damage. I think it was 45. Were five years anyway. Because when we first talked to Bob, we offered the truck material out there and get started right away. And he said, No, I don’t want this off on neighbors. So we told him, it’ll take us five years to get to layer there. And that brings us


to either 20 year. That could be Yeah, I’m just concerned because I see what’s happening. And I don’t know, I want to see


we’re starting to

Ron Kotkowski  30:58

clean up line by ago, we took a couple houses out there. We love to buffer trees as much as we could. And you know, when we finish that up, it’ll probably set for many years before it could be developed. But that’ll be prime ground. A lot of people.


It’s beautiful. And you’re done. But I mean, we’re going into their retirement age and I’m trying to figure out, do I want to see that for 20 years and my backyard? You understand? Like if it was 20 years ago, maybe but

Ron Kotkowski  31:26

you’re you’re closer to Streetsboro line.


Okay, yes. Right. Right. Next to the old farmhouse pretzels.

Ron Kotkowski  31:38

Okay. I helped clean that house out after the sale. I’m pretty sure. I hope that answers all your questions. Like you said, Come and visit us. We’ll show you around. We’ll show you what we do here.


We spoke with them last time we were here because she was very forthcoming. You know, good neighbors.


Like tips expect. We’re gonna see I mean, we’ve heard a lot I know you guys have been busy back there. I work from home. You know, it’s it’s just been loud. I

Ron Kotkowski  32:18

tried to get this set up the binding instead of right, we understand that, you know, you got to get


ready. Towers out. People don’t want them but everybody wants the gravel festival. Everybody loves their summit basements and driveways.

Ron Kotkowski  32:35

Well, I’ve always said also, you you can’t mind where you want to you have to mind more than material. Shooters bill. Fortunately, for us, is the end Merengues of a glacier from Sudbury, Canada, probably 10,000 years ago. And the end Marines are where the glacier stopped and Melton. And so that’s the deposit, you know, coming down at scrape everything off. And then, you know, we’re deposits on the in our areas. Just they told us that when we bought the land. My my grandfather made the choice. We bought like him.


And the other concerns or questions for Ron. We encourage you to come to the meetings of those those zoning meetings talked about especially you want to see the next one


to one on February 16. At 6pm. Yeah.


The six the 6pm know that? Do we have to come early for that one? Or is it just it’s a


6pm? Okay, probably an open discussion. People just talking about you’re talking now and say hey, what are we doing? And we’re gonna


had the opportunity to complete the survey. They are alive. And we did it. Oh, you didn’t already.

Ron Kotkowski  34:13

You did a land use plan. Back in 2010, so 13 years ago, and we had public meetings back then. We we mailed out a survey to all the families. And we I was on zoning board at that time and we really followed what the people suggested. You know, and I think the biggest suggestion was they wanted to maintain the rural atmosphere was a big thing. So there are changes coming, you know, with the light industrial property but that’s been in the works for a long time. You know that that property was Charlie resorts property and then he sold it to you Fred Lennon from suede Locke. Long time ago for years, they had Oh, that they had planned on putting their world headquarters there. For whatever reason they never did it. And


is there anything else that’s going right around our little area there that we should know.


Very little

Ron Kotkowski  35:20

light industrial property in the township to the township is light industrial, it’s mainly there and download the airport. Some of the rules


are pretty safe, we can say 10 or 20 years, depends on the economy depends on a lot of things.

Ron Kotkowski  35:38

We expected that suedes lock property to develop when the turnpike exit



Ron Kotkowski  35:48

And it’s never happened then. But it took the right company to come in. And we’re actually very fortunate that guddies construction, they’re good company. And they, we had another company that wanted to buy that property, and we went to several meetings, and they were out of state company and they couldn’t even pronounce that it was a terrible would have been way less, it would have been way worse than what


you’re gonna see. Give me a heads up of what the guys spent on. It originally figured around 20 million for the infrastructure to put an additional electric sewer water. Gas is a big thing. There’s not enough gas fixed back road into a paved road. It’s always been gravel because it was a fire field. When he first started looking at this four or five years ago, 20 million COVID came along and everything which now they’re looking at $40 million just for the infrastructure. Not many people can do that. And he has the wherewithal. So that’s yeah, that’s a ton of money.

Ron Kotkowski  36:56

And it was a lot of work. Plus three trustees part to negotiate and get a good deal. Because, you know, we’re just township trustees, and we’re dealing with hotshot lawyers and big companies. I waited like we, we did all those a learning process and a lot of work. But we got a better deal, like Frank said, than anybody in the state of Ohio. And most deals are not 5050 Most of the time, the township gets less than 50%. But with with the state given us less money than we got 20 years ago, if you notice, we haven’t been able to pave a road. The cost of paving has gone up tremendously. We’re going to pave Cooley road this year, and it’s not as good as we’d like to do it. But the cost is still only hundreds of 1000s 500


some 1000 to just do some patching the skim coat and it’s five or 6000 for patches and holes, skim coat they call a lot one coat and chip and seal it is three miles long to do it and all I asphalt, like two inches thick, it’s a million dollars,

Ron Kotkowski  38:05

when when we started with GEIS about this property, and they wanted abatements to help cover part of the infrastructure costs. And, you know, they said what do you need to break even said we don’t need a break, we don’t want to break even, we have to make money, because we’re getting less money from the state. And you know, as the township builds out, we build houses. The rate of taxes for every dollar that you bring in, in taxes there is they used to say $1.56 in cost to, you know, services services. So we you know that, if you develop all out as houses, the township would go broke. So we need that balance to have that light industrial to cover what we won’t make, you know, in this is going to help the schools, you know, the fire department, police department,


what he’s talking about what the cost of a house and stuff, there’s a little development going up to 10 off from infirmary and getting off the bat though. There’s 12 houses there and they’re nice houses, they’re gonna be beautiful and they’re done. But the developer want me to put a road in well, once that’s road is complete, and it meets county specs and goes through a winter it automatically gets turned over to the township and it’s our road to maintain forever. That development the 12 houses will produce the township about $3,000 a year because we’re gonna get we’re gonna get faction your tax services, we’re appellees tax, we get five seven as we get. So that 12 House development will give us enough money in the next five or six years to plow the snow after that we’re gonna lose. But yeah, but for years now that needs paved and it’s who knows what it’s Call back on us. And this is what he’s saying, you know, that costs you money houses?


Is there a forecast of what type of income this industrial parks going to bring to us over the years?


They’re, they’re looking at $15 million in payroll 15. I don’t remember 100%. But the forecast is basically this one building. And once it’s up and running, to make about 300,000, in income tax, of which, over 200 will go to the township, and then they’ll be at 10% will go to a maintenance Fund, which will take care of back roads and stuff, because once they pave it never gonna get turned over to us. And like 65, that Streetsboro? No, no, 3035? No, that’s percentage. I’m talking hundreds of Oh, yeah. So that one building, and it’s not going to happen overnight, Episode only paved road next year, well, they gotta finish building it. And you know, even property taxes as a company going in there. It doesn’t matter if a company goes in or not, though, they have to pay regardless, they have to pay on their projected amount. So but I assume that $100 million, they would have somebody, but yeah, they’ll be for the township at least 200,000 often just that one building, which is huge. It’s huge.

Ron Kotkowski  41:28

I can’t fathom a company spending that kind of money and not having a tenant, they won’t tell us anything.


at all time, they just build and then they find the tenant.


This is the big biggest one you guys has ever built in guysville Almost all the Streetsboro and a run. So I don’t know that they like he said they’d build one just to leave it set. I think


they just built another way in Streetsboro that they both sit down to

Ron Kotkowski  41:58

43 there.


I talked to the mayor the other day, and he said it was originally planned for Amazon, they found out when COVID came around because Amazon changed all their all their business strategies when COVID came around, everybody put shop and then everybody gathering delivered to him, Well then COVID kind of died off and now Amazon’s going back to their original business strategy. And they’re not going to handle these they’ve broken leases and well and laid people off and did a lot because, you know, once COVID started going away, everybody went back shop and you can’t you know, go go anywhere, you know. So so that that was you know, I think that leads to growth.


And I know Amazon’s


questions for around for gravel or I can say


one more, okay, so when we do start receiving this income is there like a plan as to where it’s gonna go to


hopefully our roads, roads, we all have the same thing our roads are, we haven’t done any really substantial in 10 years, just because there’s the funding. We don’t bring a million dollars here and then the people on the road, it’s a million

Ron Kotkowski  43:10

dollars. We’ve built up a lot of chip and ceiling, we’ve been trying to maintain the roads as good as we can. And I feel like we’re doing as good a job as we can. But we are depending on this development to give us more income to be able to go back to doing


a lot and eventually like this building to 64 building and I mean it’s a nice shape but you know 3040 years from now you may have to put some money in buildings but the short term forecasted roads roads roads, as long as I’m a trustee to roads and trying to get them back to where they need to be in equipments gotten expensive. I I looked at old prices. I went through the inventory today for insurance and the stuff we paid, you know, $35,000 trucks 90,000 Then 10 years later, you know, our big Mack truck was 70,000 We just bought one for 140. That’s not as big as the one we’re replacing. Yeah, everything’s got crazy.


When these when these standard gravel pits are done, it’s gonna look like Brooklyn’s preference. Really?

Ron Kotkowski  44:13

Yeah. Yeah, we’re already working on cleaning up when we’re finished. We don’t like to develop because it’s, you know, it’s much easier when you own the property around you then nobody’s complaining about it. So I’m hoping that maybe his children will be the ones to do that developer on there. Also like that big lake that we have going on diagonal rows. I see in the future that that will be a reserved for the Portage County Water Department. They’re right across the road from it. You know that? I think that’s water is a huge thing. Back water, the same thing across the world. We got good water. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you


Okay, Sir, we’re back to you.


First of all like to say thank you for whoever fixed the huge gigantic crater on street or roads, about 1500 feet from 44.


That would be the County, the county. The county road


to have deeper, so a normal average right there, Chris Martin that, although where that possible was every spring that floods, and there’s been continuing problems and erosion, I think the road has collapsed approximately a foot, maybe two feet. And it just kind of stopped itself. But there used to be more of a culvert there.


And of course, rotted away and it’s collapsed. And underneath there,


there’s a partial culvert. But it can get about two to three feet of water there.


For your best bets California can engineer around the time it’s happened and say, Hey, can I meet with you out here, like, with us, if we have a router, and cemetery are probably something that we control? We find it best just to meet the people out there. And if you get somewhere in the county, other and say here, here’s what’s going on, that’s always the best. Okay, you know, talking on the phone is different than like what we’re doing here tonight, you know, the best thing is, we can get them out there, take a look at


it. But the other thing I wanted to say is one of the reasons why I moved to Charlottesville, from a community that had homeowners associations, and would not allow you to have an American flag on a pole or anything displayed. Although the city is still allowed that cause farm and they went out of business, the homeowners association, like right bankrupt, and all the cute common land became a disaster. Some homeowners just went out there, and they ripped up some of the some of the blacktop paths and stuff and just took over the land and all kinds of fights. And I really don’t care how that’s gonna play out. I don’t live there anymore.

Ron Kotkowski  47:13

I live here. Shivers. And that’s what we’re trying to avoid.


And I do like, and I don’t want anybody forget what’s written and what’s in things like the land use plan, you know, the guiding principles of like to preserve and safeguard the community’s rural character with respect to all land use decisions. I really do think there is a lot of thought and a lot of care going into that I can have my opinions. Oh, what I see and what I don’t like, I should be able to voice it.


Nobody stopped Yes.

Ron Kotkowski  47:55

No, no, no.


And to encourage agricultural activities within the township, as agricultural is a leading local industry, and is considered an essential land use component of the communities rural character, next to a cow. Hopefully, we see cows around here.


They’re pretty much thrown away all the dairy cows have went


I know, I understand that. But that is one of the reasons why I was worried.


I saw the opportunity. And I took it and meant 2530 minute longer drive to Akron. However, I’ve never regretted it. I love the deer in my backyard. Turkeys do attack. That’s a real thing. Even if it’s attacking themselves and flexion of your windows. It could be interesting, but I like it. The neighbors that have chickens and roosters. I love to hear crow. I don’t mind that at all. It’s not a problem. I really want it to stay like that.


But one thing we have to keep in mind is these errors were set up in 1959. And again, you’re not going to tell somebody like you You bought that property because you wanted to you know, now if we’d all of a sudden say well, we decided we didn’t want houses on the street or road, we can’t do that. So we can’t tell those people that can’t be light industrial what we have to do the best we can as guide to where the looks are better. And we can’t say oh, you know, we want a million square foot building. We don’t want to 300,000 those are all things out of our control. We just try to make them the best we can but all these land use meters we’re planning is future for all these other parcels. And as what we want the center of town look like this. will look what happened streets roaming. Somebody can come along and say if we want to spill it, we’ll give you $2 million for it or we’ll build your brand new building a quarter mile down the road. You know, these are the things you got to think about, you know, Walgreens in the streets or Rabbanim you seen it It’s in the middle of town right on top of the road. They bought the Elks club moved the outcome at Freedom street butterfly 10 acres of ground, put up a huge new fancy building, just for that little piece of ground on Main Street. How will that I mean, think business is crazy. But yeah, we

Ron Kotkowski  50:17

can’t stop development. Now, what do we want to but we can steer it. And that’s what it’s all about steering it in the right direction. That’s why it’s important that people come to the meetings and voice their opinion exactly the way to go. 10 year, 13 years ago, it was keep it rural, you know, but as Streetsboro gets old out, you know, it’s like a steamroller coming our way, the best we can do is try to make it look nice, you know, maintain as much as we can up our world


character. But I really hope that the agricultural, rural residential areas are protected as much as possible.

Ron Kotkowski  51:00

Well, there’s, there’s,


whatever can be done

Ron Kotkowski  51:04

well, and the problem that you’re running into is a lot of these farms have been family farms for a long time. And all of a sudden, they’re not hard anymore, they’ve got a whole bunch of ground, and a lot of money. And, you know, generation dies, that was a love of land, and then the kids go, well, let’s just sell it off. You know,


I couldn’t afford the sweet chocolate. I kept on saying, if I was gonna buy, if I was gonna win the lottery, and I got enough money, I was gonna buy all that land and all the walking land behind me. I wouldn’t, if I had no money left.

Ron Kotkowski  51:37

I’d be happy,


the family farms to do they were lucky as the generations combined. Because Oh, there was fathers and sons and grandsons, and they built a business out to take care of families. You can’t do that with farming anymore, because there’s not enough ground left. So you have two kids and two boys want to go into the fire while you were feeding one family. Now you’re feeding three. And then like I said, the one generation dies off and the boys are, the grandkids haven’t and, you know, the cost of fertilizer? So, so much, and somebody comes along and says we’ll give you $10 million, that feature graph. How do you say no, you know, I mean, it’s, it’s easy for the neighbor to say, Don’t do it. But if it was your ground, and you was working 20 hours a day, like farmers did, you know,

Ron Kotkowski  52:23

but, you know, our farm went out years ago, because it just wasn’t profitable. Fortunately, our dad, you know, knew there was material on there and decided to make it go and we’re, you know, I put a lot our generation on the property. My son’s fourth and we’ve got a fifth generation going, you know, it’s it’s, but it’s difficult. It’s difficult for farmers, I think, ones out here Ravenna cows now, no,


I absolutely understand, but I’m kind of the opposite direction. For our piece of land. If I want to do goats, there’s nothing really it can stop me. If I want to do chickens. Yep, nothing’s gonna, you know, if I want to rip up my entire yard and do Hey, that’s what it’s zoned for. Yeah, but, you know, I have limited resources. I mean, I know a lot of places have land banks. I a neighboring property to me. They have plans in their head. And they’ve stated that oh, yeah, we’re gonna take down all the woods. And we’re gonna put a huge housing development back there. Well, hmm.


I could do it.


Well, 300. But then, you know, some of the zoning that’s going in place, but no limits


to zoning requirements, two acres, they can do it. It’s it’s expensive. I understand. They could just just could do that with the head, the property,


but those kind of buffers like Oh, calls farm it was a tree farm in Stowe. And Mr. Cole sold the land. They developed it was about 40 acres. 40 acres and 300 houses. It’s crazy. It’s a lot different. Right? Well, it started off at 300. And then they add more and more and more. I don’t know who would buy a house and get high, high pressure gas line but people did.


But you ever seen the two acres is what you’re saying?


Right? That’s what we need to hear from, you know, 300 acres and 30 houses or 25 houses totally different. It’s not it preserves the rural residential. You don’t have cluster homes you don’t have quad plexes that are triple stacked and no apartment buildings. No. Well, we’re going to try to squeeze in three how causes them to an acre and a half. I do like that. And I, I kind of I really liked the rural character. I mean, that’s eventually that’s going to be in high demand as the steamroller comes across, people are going to wish, well, I wish I had a farm, you know, a house with 300 acres, where is one of those anymore on can go back 50 years ago, there were one houses and 300 acres,


because that’s how everybody made their money. And then the Industrial Revolution came along and everybody got cars and toasters and microwave ovens. And


so I like living at the edge of development. The edge of I call it the


I said, it was nice, we could drive in the streets for about a Lowe’s or Home Depot or whatever, we don’t have it here, industry spruce

Ron Kotkowski  55:53

basically develop. That’s why you have kind of a


patchwork, empty Plaza here, new plaza there. That way,

Ron Kotkowski  56:03

you know, crowded streets and stuff like that, you know, just wasn’t, wasn’t planned out? Well, they were trying to get into the past. We didn’t have a land use plan in 2008. And we have what ended up becoming the preserve down here for more than preserved.


And it could be we had

Ron Kotkowski  56:31

for city came in, they went to 1800 homes, on that property, it was about 500 acres, they wanted to put 1800 homes, we weren’t prepared for that. Luckily, the housing market disappeared, and they said, you know, we dodged that bullet, it’s time to do a land use plan. That’s, that’s what motivated us to do. The first plan is plan to make our zoning stronger. So that we don’t end up with a Streetsboro. You know, we all like to go over, buy stuff at the grocery and whatnot over there. But it’s nice to come home and not be in Streetsboro. And that’s, you know, that’s why we’re updating the land use plan. To to do but we’re doing it because, you know, it strengthens our zoning code for the future. Because


some of the property value is not a tangible, it’s not dollars and cents. It’s what makes you happy and makes you comfortable. You know, I like the quiet. You know that that’s worth a lot to me. My house will never be worth like $20 million, my land will never be Well, unless something really changes. You’re gonna give me $50 million, you three acre hold out, you know, I guess you could wish but I’ll be sold. Maybe I’ll be happy. But, you know, it’s nice that how do you preserve, you know, the farm down the street, you know, and if somebody’s interested in the farm profit or not, hey, is pretty profitable. There’s a lot of heat farmers around here, it turns into profit.

Ron Kotkowski  58:16

There’s also remember member of the Western Reserve Land Conservancy for years, and there’s also avenues for farmers that like Alderson, Manley Township, they knew they were going out, they had too many bank loans and everything. And they went through the Western Reserve Land Conservancy and sold that property to real rich person that needed to write off and put a easement on that property that goes into in perpetuity. So that’ll never be developed. And, you know, one of the parcels of that soul and a farmer bought it, because he could afford it. Number one, because it wasn’t worth as much because it had this conservancies on it. So it’s never going to have development value. But the person selling got their value out of it. And the person buying it got a tax write off. And you know, so that’s a win when that happens. You know, that’s that’s how the word is reserved, and also leveraged money from state and federal, ended up giving it to the park system. We can’t have that happen everywhere,


we’d get no tax.


So maybe

Ron Kotkowski  59:28

nice to have that is a


windfall. Maybe that is


a we have to have


a necessity just for the survival of the township.


Well, that and say we didn’t allow it. Anybody heard of annexation? Somewhere somewhere like man who was elected say, you know, we’ll let him do it. We’ll annex that ground and let him do whatever he wants and then it’s no longer shall but you have no control over.

Ron Kotkowski  59:56

That was one of the things that motivated us to agree to attack.


integration in the jet the jet.

Ron Kotkowski  1:00:03

Yeah, that came


from BNN. It’s not that they didn’t do it.

Ron Kotkowski  1:00:06

Well, all it takes is a developer that says all by all this property, and then we can annex from your city to where we want to develop. And that could have happened at What did you say with six property search property, if guys would have wanted to, you know, say you had a better deal with paneling, he would have wanted to do that with with manway. He’d only had to buy six properties. I could have done that. A couple million


dollars we’d love to

Ron Kotkowski  1:00:33

that was part of the timer discussions that we had in our thought process was you got to do something. And we want to protect the topic. We want to stay at Township. We don’t want to become a city or village. Yeah, no. I don’t want to keep it that way. But to maintain a township, we have to be in the black. And so you know, the normal percentage of property that we have in light industrial should help us to maintain that.


Well, I’m gonna move this forward, Chris, but that’s what the other ones are for. And we we want to this is the kind of stuff we want to touch immediately we’ve set aside hours this way you’re saying and we want you to be there and we hope you found the guy for reasonable planning to be there and we appreciate what you had to say. But come to the next question. That’s really important.


Thursday or Monday,


Thursday, the ninth to six o’clock and then there’s another one on March 25, which is a Saturday at 10 in the morning, so thank you



Gregory Benner  1:01:50

so this whole repeat of the previous things, I don’t have any any cases on motor vehicles that I have filed. I have two that I was going to turn over to the prosecutor but I said it’s extended have another 30 days to try to get something to go forward with it before I do it. We have one new home permit we didn’t really go home on down the road 44 There on the North East northwest corner they broke ground today actually put the driveway in. That’s right. Did you guys move the


sign they


put the driveway in yesterday and dug the

Ron Kotkowski  1:02:32

basement today. Dudley

Gregory Benner  1:02:36

it’s actually going to face

Ron Kotkowski  1:02:39

the dry cleaner.

Gregory Benner  1:02:40

And then the gentleman across the street here. They put up a fence quite a while back and I contacted him and we finally worked out a deal that he needs a permit. So I did receive that today by late and that was

Ron Kotkowski  1:02:58

needed to get a call from a woman about our cool idea.



Gregory Benner  1:03:08

so that’s it for that and to move on to a big a big thing that’s going on in our state now and this actually plays into what a lot of you are talking about is the the Ohio Senate last year and Mr. dewine passed a bill called House Bill 52. House Bill 52 as a major bill for rural areas what it is is they they put a board together we have Ohio power City Board. And what this is is the Green Deal energy deal come into shape. So that’s that’s the short on the long up to this very complicated. What it is is the promotion of major solar and wind farms. For areas like us, there’s already Indiana, it is loaded with wind farms. They have been for quite some time I’ve driven and so anyway, but they have massive miles and miles of wind farms. Well, they’re coming this way. There’s 24 Now in western Ohio already that have been put up before House Bill 52. When end up back what House Bill 52 does is it creates three boards, the Ohio power sitting board and the three Commissioner the commissioners of our county and then our three trustees all work together so if if somebody comes with it the acre farm and applies to the Ohio power City Board for a what they call a large solar or large wind farm Then you’ll have power sitting board, in turn contacts, the three commissioners, two commissioners have the power to designate areas in our township, energy Ed, these are called energy development districts. So the commissioners can say, we’re going to take this 50 acre farm down the street, and we’re going to designate it so that it can be developed with solar and wind power. In turn, they have to contact our trustees. And then our trustees work with them on whether we want it or whether they want it, or whether they don’t want it. And I talked to Sabrina Bennett at length numerous times. And this is so new that the commissioners are really very green on how this is going to take place. She said what is happening already, there’s none here yet. But she said what’s happening is the same thing that happened with the oil and gas leases when the energy companies came in at least all the property and gave everybody money for the leases. That same thing is happening in the southern part of the county, they’re going into the barns and leasing the land. So as a pre pre precursor to what’s coming, that’s first day. It is common. It’s quite complicated. I said the entire bill to Chris, to go over. From the township standpoint, we don’t have anything in our our Zoning Commission is going to be busy here because we’re going to need a whole new chapter in our book relating to this act, act 52. To designate where we want to be as a township, regardless of what the commissioners the side, I spoke with Christina are. Yes. And she said that right now, they want to work with the townships. You know, they don’t want to work against the townships and the townships. And the commissioners have final say. So if the commissioners and you guys say no, we don’t want an EDD here, the Ohio power sitting board has no chance whatsoever to overrule you. If it’s voted down at the local level, the Ohio power sitting board cannot let it happen. So they will deny the application, the application goes to them.


But we have to have the commissioners on their side we don’t have authority

Gregory Benner  1:07:31

to and they don’t. She said that really they probably won’t designated area until somebody comes in again with an application and then puts it forward. So here, here’s what I was looking at. So we’re in the reason why I got on this is because we have, I believe nine cell towers in the township, it could be more. But I know there’s nine and I’m not positive, where I got that number about, I think from driving around one day and looking but there could be more. So all those cell towers are so are the two other photos of the max. So we were supposed to be bonded with no less than the trustees at the time with except no less than $100 a foot for reclamation of these towers. So my concern is that the way that we’re moving forward with technology that these towers are going to be obsolete someday they were going to be responsible for the reclamation which if you look at a 200 foot tower, and

Ron Kotkowski  1:08:35

they’re on private property, you won’t be responsible

Gregory Benner  1:08:38

for private property if we who’s responsible for property

Ron Kotkowski  1:08:43

it’s the same as the house of houses that property

Gregory Benner  1:08:46

a lot of that property owner is not going to take

Ron Kotkowski  1:08:50

that they think they’re going to lean on property

Gregory Benner  1:08:56

we were supposed to be bonded for for that information. So but falls on us that we have the money to tear him down so so if I fast forward to this, these are major because these wind farms These towers are huge. They had footers of 80 feet wide 80 feet long by 10 feet deep.

Ron Kotkowski  1:09:17

I don’t know about anybody else. I hate

Gregory Benner  1:09:21

when towers and glad you feel that they’re there


in a wind farm air me yeah. They’re loud.

Ron Kotkowski  1:09:28

Blades are hard to get rid of they are and then they never pay off.

Gregory Benner  1:09:33

So So what the Ohio power board did was they created a five year plan for reclamation. So these things they take care of all about. So if somebody gets okay for a solar farm for a wall bargain, the binding has to go through the ohio power City Board, they hold the odds on it and every five years they’re really looked at with an engineer An architect firm to bring the cost up. Because what would recommend one today in five years, probably, the cost would be. So they review that bio performance up to that level, because it’s a major problem, because the problem with the solar panels is, they were supposed to last 20 years, some of them will ask some unless as well, now, nobody knows what to do with them, because again, just drove in and dumped, they got poisonous gas, I


was talking to an economic development guy. And he said all along the same lines, you can imagine when gas became popular in cars, there was 150 car manufacturers in northern United States, in five or 10 years, it got whittled down to seven or eight. And he said, that’s the same thing with this, what you’re talking about, everybody’s gonna jump on board, because there’s all this free money that government given out to promote. People are gonna go back like these

Gregory Benner  1:10:56

farmers, you know, that don’t have ballet or don’t have ways of means for their property. They might do Hey, but what if somebody developer said, you know, we’re gonna give you a million dollars, at least a piece of land per solar farm, and a large solar farm is defined on 50 kW. Okay, so we don’t I don’t know what that is payroll wise, I don’t know what that is size wise, Chris hasn’t got back 50 kilowatt, and there has to be three bays in the vicinity to feed the electric valve, same as the wind farm. So my quote, one of my questions, or Chris was, so under 50k, if somebody comes in, under Are they not controlled by this board? So you know, say it’s 45k. You know, they put that out a week, and we control that at all as a township. So if it doesn’t have to go through our city board, if it’s not classified as a large facility,


so he’s getting back with you on all that

Gregory Benner  1:11:49

he hasn’t got back. Let’s bring this over. I sent him the whole bill. And I told him to look it over and red flag anything, you know, I have a feeling we’ve got time to get up to speed with it. But it’s gonna be it’s gonna be a challenge. Because there’s so many unknowns, because they haven’t happened here.

Jill Corbett  1:12:13

Southern Portage County or southern Ohio, Southern Orange County. All right.


Well, we got another thing. We

Gregory Benner  1:12:24

brought this up to Todd, a couple weeks back, and he actually presented it. And I told him, but Todd wasn’t aware of it. And then he did a presentation of it at the last zoning for Earlywood. I missed that. But I’ve been in contact with him. He’s the one that actually sent me the whole app. So it’s something that we really have to look at the solar panels that have major glare tool, you know, in California pushed the green energy 20 years ago, and they gave all those people free solar rooftops. Well, they all went bad in 10 to 15 years. And now the people responsible to get rid of them. And they’re tearing off every row out there. And they can’t there’s one place in Oregon that’s taken them that can decommission them. So this can be a mess. I mean, when you start messing with this stuff, so it’s something I want to get out. And it’s something that I will


tell you, right, Mercury. Yeah. Tell your Telluride, mercury, it’s Telluride, and mercury. And you could guess which parts the worst part? Yeah. And then it’s so conducted silicon dioxide. It’s sand, Telluride, and Mercury together with aluminum wires, silver wires are compromised, depending upon the quality NASA uses silver.

Gregory Benner  1:13:44

Yeah, so I want to work with you guys. And you know, when I get some stuff back from him and talk to more, we have to at least work out how we’re going to prevent these things. As far as cost as far as, you know, size limit, they have to go by setbacks. Obviously. There’s a lot of, there’s a lot of stuff in play. If you read through this, it’s complicated.


And don’t want to put them all in the rural area.

Gregory Benner  1:14:09

Well, that’s why I feel like our area can be subject to these, you know, because they’re, they’re hitting these farmers because they have the 50 acre fields and


farmers going out of business.

Gregory Benner  1:14:19

Yeah, exactly. You know, and so, I feel like, you know, just the push on the green energy, it’s, it’s going to happen, whether we like it or not so, so, you know, I want to try to get us out in front of this mess we can and I think

Ron Kotkowski  1:14:34

you’re right, they’re not a good deal. No matter how smooth they look up front.

Gregory Benner  1:14:40

For one article, when you hear this part of the state is probably white in that area is because it’s probably not productive. They do which doesn’t mean they won’t do it. They don’t necessarily listen to how we feel solar the same way we’re not 100 solar, although we will produce solar We have sellers, you know, we have sunshine. But even if we’re not, you know, a top state like Florida or, you know, our flat

Ron Kotkowski  1:15:07

right near the bottom it was put there, part of the choice was because Katya was continuously colored his country.

Gregory Benner  1:15:19

So it’s something to be aware of, you know, I’m trying to do what we can do as a township. I’m pretty sure I know how you guys feel about it, which is good. You know, and again, we’re gonna be limited to what we can do that was a state does have power over us to a point, but, but I feel like it’s definitely we’re gonna see it. So hopefully, we will see it in our backyard.

Ron Kotkowski  1:15:52

You know, we dealt with this. Years ago, when I was first on the zoning board. There was a concern about these shops that sell pornography. And we really didn’t want one. But you know, we went through the prosecutor everything. You can’t just say no. So what you have to do is make it so complicated that nobody was ever wanted to do.


So, does that mean? Can you just say no, because we did. We did just say no to marijuana facilities?

Gregory Benner  1:16:18

Yeah. So So I don’t think we can just say no first, but we could just say wait a second. The commissioners are actually the ones which is a good thing. Originally, I thought that. Well.


Clarify clarified. You’re talking about 50 kilowatt plus, in the concern is negative minus 50 kilowatt plus, I just Googled residential ones around eight or nine kilowatt? Yeah. So anything non residential? Why couldn’t we have a moratorium on?

Ron Kotkowski  1:16:50

We could do it more of my thoughts, etc. Well, I

Gregory Benner  1:16:53

meant something more permanent. Yeah. And that’s, I’m glad you mentioned that, because one, one area where I’m not opposed to the residential guy that’s got one in his backyard, he wants a power. So we’ve really not sold it to the grid, and he’s responsible for his you know, I’m looking at the large the fields and, you know, so yeah, I mean, that’s those are very good thoughts. And, and I don’t want to hurt those people, you know, that are permitting that but, you know, there’s a big difference between a residential guy and a solar wind farm. That’s a pure business, you know, for profit. So those are things that will have to be hashed out.


And it’s easy to say that they’re responsible for it, but if they go bankrupt, and Coronas what happens if these things break up and leach into the water. Exactly. I mean, yeah,

Gregory Benner  1:17:41

yeah. So. So think about, keep it on your minds. And you know, Ben, Ben just brought up a good idea. It’s probably a great idea to do that, you know, until we get our foot in the door and get our feet wet and figure out where we all stand on this.

Ron Kotkowski  1:18:02

moratoriums are only temporary. We could give ourselves months to work on it. I don’t think he can go too long.

Gregory Benner  1:18:10

No, I mean, as long as we can go


just a time it’s a patch to

Ron Kotkowski  1:18:15

to give you time to come up with a


permanent solution. One question will come in question would be obviously the commissioners agree with the trustees? Is there a timeframe or commissioners get elected in can they turn that around?


For now, yeah.


TJ will temperature temperature requirements will go green we have solar farms and they do because there’s an incentive to have the 10% because you’re only doing it basically fits 111 building our cost is 100 times just to get the new set of money back we have the solar power that

Ron Kotkowski  1:19:04

Dr. One guy that put one in and with all the government free money he said it would never pay for it then the problem is they feel bad before they


get rid of the decommissioning is

Gregory Benner  1:19:19

the problem I have what when 20 years we’re going to have fields for glass where your kids are breaking and you know there’s a lot a lot to digest and


break and fall down the better mood board or whatever leaves them in the water

Ron Kotkowski  1:19:38

it’s best to


always there’s absolutely no National Geographic that showed up in Wyoming just taking the bliss very high trek games

Ron Kotkowski  1:19:48

Yeah, they can’t scrap on began


traveling. So 1000 years now so


we’ll move along like we do with Chris. You’ll bring it up at our next meeting and you keep us informed but good stuff to We’re gonna start working on Yeah, I might have to take a long look at that presentation that we’re building board and

Ron Kotkowski  1:20:11

that’s a, that’s a good point to bring up at your public meeting and also get people who you want to predict the wind farms, or even sold.


In Cleveland, they’re putting a 25 or 50, turbine test farm in Lake area, somewhere between Cleveland and Manor

Gregory Benner  1:20:33

by going to the Supreme Court to get done,


and it’s a Finnish company or Norwegian company that’s doing the investing. So it’s an international investment

Ron Kotkowski  1:20:42

isn’t the latest thing that the whales are all coming up


the green energy people, environmentalists wanted this versus oil, and now they don’t want it because it’s killing the whales.


Drives me crazy. Off the tips of the turbines, it produces different frequencies. It’s like an olien harp, you have just the high tension wires at times. So you could hear him saying here bomb, they make different sounds. And they go into with each other out of town. And they can be quite loud.

Ron Kotkowski  1:21:19

I could walk up my hill with a fluorescent bowl

Gregory Benner  1:21:42

so I keep your price and I appreciate that. Yeah, it’s


alright. It might


just remind you we have a meeting on Thursday night. Parties will be there to give us just a little bit of updates on what you’ve received on the survey so far. Okay. Our new schedule?

Ron Kotkowski  1:22:05

Yeah, he’s gonna be there.


Yeah, this is this is not an advertised public meeting. I mean, everyone’s welcome to come


also. Oh, yes. Trustee with the 16th is the big one for that.


Yeah, he’ll be explaining what we’re at we’re actually blood community in Forks input at the next 16th in the March meeting. But if you want to come this Thursday, he will also be there to explain to the board what’s going on so


I pervaded the text distribution already for the whole year. No, I only bought I could buy 12 bucks so I split


them once a year. Yeah, June through June okay.


For the better Township and Midway village all I have to do is sign them into to find out from Phil who I need to send them to there are seven different units in prevented that needs to be changed and and then there’s for

Ron Kotkowski  1:23:31

what it’s about oh,


the tax distribution is from the Bureau of motor vehicles where they pay that you pay your taxes for your

Ron Kotkowski  1:23:42

for your license, yes license


your license at the $5 that Charlottesville charges not everyone is paying to the right municipality or township things to that effect. So what we do is we’re doing an audit and I’m checking midway village and prevented township currently and all together everything I found was a total of between the two of them between them see that five


you guys probably hit like I have a ribbon a million dress somebody else man and when somebody else says the streets so they’ll automatically send it to manually Street for banner rather than shields will.

Ron Kotkowski  1:24:26

You go get your license plates renewed say Shavers.


Yes, because they don’t, they don’t really know. The the bureau in Columbus, they go by a program that they have that’s supposed to show him but I have those 42 that I found that are incorrectly paying either midway village for Ravenna township currently. And then what we do is we do the audit, find out which ones those are And then I send them to those, like I’ll say, went to the village for the incorrect ones. And then for better townships, they have 30 days to get them back to me. And then we send it to back to Columbus, and then they’ll fix it. So that they’ll take the money that should have been ours. We’ll get it. And then it’ll be fixed for the future.

Jill Corbett  1:25:22

So you had a total of 42?


Yes. Oh, six months? out of,


yes, six months for each one. So I did January through June, for both for better and better way village, which, that was actually the mayor, I thought I was getting every Township, but which is good, because the majority of those came from Malay village.


And more than that, so


yeah, well said that, well, they go by the dates of birth. So, Midway village, there were over almost 5000 residents that had birthdays in between that. There will be some of those belong to ShareASale. But then there were some and newer did explain to me, you know, how it gets distributed back through? There were some IRP which are over the road trucking that go out of state, those, we won’t get anything from them, because they don’t pay Mr. Tax, but just the local tax the $5. But it will, the state will give us money on those for the over the road tax, the road tax. So we will still send those in. And we’ll get some money back from that. So going forward, do you want me to finish the year?


I think so. we’re this far and I’m sure I can monetary differences. But she couldn’t give me exactly. We will get all that. My thoughts were, if it was breakeven this year, I don’t know unless those people move out of where they’re at or something that’s continuing to like Greg better this cars are going to man or whatever. He’d have worked for 10 years, we get 10 years of Greg brothers, whatever, that’s not screwed up. So even if we breakeven, the first year, I think it’s money in the bank. Well, for five


or five, min away village, the five that’s not any IoT, it’s $137.50. That’s the permissive tax that we will be getting. And then there’s also percentages of some of the room the other day, yes, the road tax and all the other stuff when


we get a little bit off.


Right? Yes. And then that’s the IRP from prevent us currently is 150 $150 on that one. It did


a little payback for 10 years, or however long you know, unless people know people know more or less.

Gregory Benner  1:28:13

Every year if you’re breaking in


the first year, well, if you just go where they explained it to me in Columbus was if we get it fixed for because I’m doing 2022 So we get all those fix that money plus we’re gonna get to 2023 money this year, and then so on and so forth until they doesn’t get switched back over. The person knows that. So my next questions were Do you want me to get July through December of 2022 for the same areas? And do you want me to look at man away township or groceries for men away? Yeah. Oh Streetsboro I wonder how many they met when when I did the sample which was September 2022. We had man that’s the one month for Medway Township, but Streetsboro there was for

Ron Kotkowski  1:29:10

everyone that lives in Aurora east as a street from


I would say, Redbox I would say let’s continue on. We’re gonna continue on for those six months and then it’s gonna You’re done. Yeah, and then those will be like going in and maybe next year for one audit Streetsboro take less time it’s just one go that route.


Yeah, we’re better to take less time to do than man away because I learned a new process on how to do it and I made it through just like that now. It’s pretty quick so won’t cost much


that you want me to add

Jill Corbett  1:29:50

didn’t prevent a man away?

Ron Kotkowski  1:29:55

Work or I mean, why not do it all now.


It’s whatever you want me to It doesn’t matter because all I do is I just


have time to do it


Okay, so what are we doing that’s what we’re gonna do everybody including Street for us so you


want the second half when streets world and these two men away village and Ravenna township

Ron Kotkowski  1:30:27

okay then when you’re done with that we’ll make a decision about anything else


okay but you can only go back two years that they will only pay us back for one or the other there was one more thing she said I have to document get a document date of when we send this to them for the clock to tick for the 30 days I can either send an encrypted email or we can do it certified she said certified is better but it’s


just one letter at each other well you know send 40 letters are


no no this one this all this is what will go to a better one. Yeah, whatever. So it’s two envelopes or whatever they are different pieces.

Jill Corbett  1:31:25

It doesn’t go to the home it just goes to their administrative offices probably Yeah.


Yeah, like it we’re going to attach it has a fiscal officer I’ll send it to her

Jill Corbett  1:31:37

family villages probably

Ron Kotkowski  1:31:39

whatever their secretary or send it to them they’ll give it to the right


and well the thing is if they do not respond within the 30 days it’s a default when and we send it in


I don’t work for him to respond. I don’t know what to do with it. They shouldn’t because directly don’t say thank you I read it I love that place. Oh

Jill Corbett  1:32:14

to that there you have the same thing. That’s pretty cool. Okay.

Ron Kotkowski  1:32:22

Well, they’re less likely to get somebody from Sanders call.


Me don’t have a mailing address. And you’re just here to observe Okay, wait, refresh everybody’s memory back in September of 2011 550 went down. We had to order a part which was on factory recall. So I call this morning to see if there’s any updates called Valley for every call factory or factory backorder I’m sorry, backwards. Sorry about that. So I call Valley Ford this morning. Set it on their end there was nothing no new updates. Nothing’s changed in the computer just for the sake of making sure he was actually looking on and not just wasting time when and culture are shown forward. And Randolph he confirmed the same thing he said actually, what comes up on the computer is a commerce line something with a bunch of letters for code. He’s the bait bit basically and Latin terms it’s at this point no estimated time that that part will ever be made. Parker goes on a V 10 in 2011 truck particularly good shape and there’s a ton of them out there. And it controls the airflow and your truck on one rack with a $500 plastic piece about this big he’s he’s associating with it because it’s electronic part it’s just like all the computer chips that they can get for all the vehicle it’s just not a part that they’re worried about being any of that metals are emitting 11 V 11 years old she was surprised on that he thought it would you buy it after him I said no. So we can’t buy an aftermarket because the patent will be released. We found a guy and man away that and a bunch of blown up the 10 engines that’s what he does. I can then go Sarki So Robert, darker and he gave us one off of blowing up engine so we could keep running but that thing goes and they don’t make the part after 10 or 12 years that is absolutely well keep keep plugging away that it works. Yeah, that’s all I have been


one thing really good


gasoline. Okay. That’s it 315 gallon per gallon. Okay,

Gregory Benner  1:34:48

I need about 475 gallons. Okay, so I’m looking forward to


make a motion we spend up to 2000 on gasoline 2000 $2,000 petrol

Jill Corbett  1:35:03

Okay, no roll call Frank. Yes. Right. Yes.


All good. Talk to the back egg more. Ryan. Obviously this one good morning. No, that’s half the fun, Ben. Thanks for informing us on the other one.

Jill Corbett  1:35:32

We got the 2023 no pet grant, which is good over that amount $9,254.


And that’s to be used for energy savings. And we put windows in and we put energy efficient furnaces in an LED lighting and it’s all grant money and

Jill Corbett  1:35:54

it helps. And we still have 8717 from last year. So we have a total of 17,009 71 now, and I need some signatures. We need a resolution. I’m sorry, first. Oh, yeah. Okay. Number 2023. Dash. Oh, one first one.


I’ll make that motion for the resolution. I’ll second.

Ron Kotkowski  1:36:23

All right. Yes. Yes. And I need


some signatures


you think they’re good meeting new people. I read your book 10 minutes long and we don’t have a lot of minutes.

Jill Corbett  1:37:02

Just chairperson takes care of no care. We have to have a motion on our mileage. Please extend executive form to the Portage County engineer’s office. The mileage is 23 Miles 616. So if you agree with that, we need a motion.


Oh, my bad motion.

Jill Corbett  1:37:33

What’s this one? To the county engineer saying our miles mileage we have what? 2646 23


and 660 feet? Okay. Yes, we’re all free? Yes. Yes. That’s how we get some of our tax money upside down. And they do that every year. This shows 2023 points. That’s our roads that we take care of. 23 miles and 616

Ron Kotkowski  1:38:09

to be datas.

Jill Corbett  1:38:11

You can Yes. Like

Ron Kotkowski  1:38:14

who was seven.

Jill Corbett  1:38:24

I do have the just for notation. 2022 is closed. And I sent off the information for carryover and everything to the county. I doubt that our official resolution official estimate of resources resolution in that sentence. And it didn’t match up exactly what I said I was like called in here we’re getting about $4,800 more than what they had budgeted or what they said they were going to we were going to get the data. We’re getting a little bit of an increase. So that’s good. So that’s done. And here in the next week. I’ll get that put together and I’ll have our permanent appropriation for 23 to do resolution on and I got my audit that from the

Ron Kotkowski  1:39:17

Yeah, congratulations. Well, was it was good?

Jill Corbett  1:39:21

No, my part was good. They screwed up. Workers Comp. You don’t have to put this just did a great job. No, they sent me a bill for $2,700. And in the audit everything was good except that you said I did it claim any payroll for 2021. And first I thought the $2,700 bill was the audit fee. And I’m like wow, that was expensive for the guide and it didn’t show up. They sent me a list. I have what I needed for this audit, literally, I had stacks of paper. And I called the day of because I had never heard from him to make sure he was coming out. He goes, Oh, you could just send me, you know, two reports of your data. And I had standard hours worth of work pulling payroll cards, and you know, everything that was on this list, and then the audit commas, and the $2,700 was what our payroll would have been for 21 our taxes, why pay that every year you guys were paying that, and then I do a true up report with what the actual is. And it might be a couple $300 by $300. One. So when I call them to ask about the $2,700, or with this audit said that I didn’t do payroll for 21. I’m like, What do you know? I did. And so he goes, Oh, well, maybe the financial department didn’t get it. It’s like, well, I’m looking at the confirmation sheet right here. So I had I sent him 20. I sent him 2021 and 22. Just covered? Yes. And I go, I do the payroll every year you have to. And we haven’t heard that forever. He couldn’t figure it out. And so he’s gonna send it to whoever. And that’s last I heard. So I would say my audit was good, but it wasn’t because they look like we did it. I didn’t pay.


It was good. They screwed it up. Yeah,

Jill Corbett  1:41:35

I have I have proof. So my desk. So with that, I did get my audit back. We’ll see how it goes from here. Yes.

Gregory Benner  1:41:55

I have one of those we’re talking about okay.


No pack is. What’s the proper term for him there in terms of energy, energy. Back when distribute distribution? Yeah, back when the whole deregulation came around, and there was a lot of profit, and a lot of people were were cheating consumers, the snowpack, which is an energy consortium, along with equity, 88 or 100, across just Ohio, went to the town’s and they said, we’ll find the best rate for you on your life and your gas. And, and, and at the time, our trustees and county and almost everybody went with this no pac, because it was better rates and protect them. What happened this last fall due to and and Chuck Piper came there, their executive director, he was pretty well spoken on the deal. What happens is all these places buy energy two or two times a year, one time a year, all the time there was right at the time with the thing with Ukraine and the Russian pipeline and everything. And we’re not in just northeast Ohio gas or electric, we’re in the whole world economy. So he said, There’s doubled or tripled. And they as soon as I could put everybody on first energy, so they didn’t have to pay too much. But some people, you know, got one or two bills that were high. And you know, I’m sure they weren’t happy, I wouldn’t be either. And that being said, he said everybody has electric from no matter who you buy it from, by June or July, it’s gonna be double of what it was in 2022. Just because of what the new prices are. They’re buying wholesale energy. That being said, years ago, our trustees put us on this new OPEC deal. So some of the people were on OPEC somewhere on first energy. When they put everybody back on first energy, they have to reapply with the PUC to which they’re going to do when I get the letter. And once they reapply, and can go back. If we don’t do anything, and I don’t know what the right answer is. That’s why I’m bringing it out. Everybody goes to no pet. And you have to opt out to go back to first energy versus stand where you’re at. And thinking no packs a better deal and opt in. But if we do nothing, every every buddy in Charlottesville, if no pack gets their their piece of PVC, oh, standing again, will get automatically switched over. And then if people aren’t happy with it, they’ll have to call and change it to first energy or any other or whoever and I wouldn’t check the prices today. Our first interview was like five points on and all these other ones constellation. They’re all six 810 cents and they went south to three years. So first energy rates are really Good right now.


What about residents who have already contracted with somebody else? Well, I mean, I contract my own,


that’s altogether different. Or if you had, if you had no pac three year my brother in law had when he signed for three years, so great. And I couldn’t find anything about the first energy today. There were five points, some and everybody was over six, the cheapest? I don’t know. But so we have to decide, are we going to opt out of that as a community? Or when this no pac deal goes through? Everybody gets put on it? That doesn’t have a contract that doesn’t have everybody that just done what we’re everybody’s thoughts on that? Is there a way to preemptively opt out? That’s what we’re talking about. Yeah. cannot not do. Not as a not as are too, too high hills? Yeah. Not as a consumer. No, this is a township, something we’re going to look at, do we want to be a township? That’s, that’s a no pac township where everybody is on no pac unless they opt out? Or do we want to be, you can pick who you want. And you can pick? No.


I think years ago, like I opted out a note pack and it was like a $25 or something. And I did just purchase one a couple weeks ago. That was $5. Yeah, it was after he gave a picture.


But, you know, say say we do nothing and no facts. And then it happens again in the fall. I don’t know if I want to be tarred and feathered as a township official.

Jill Corbett  1:46:44

explaining it to the county, by the way, you know, was on the ballot everything. Polk County went to no Peck. Yeah. So the individual entity?


Well, we’re, we’re in the process to check in with the prosecutor. But I believe so since they’ve opted us out. I think we can start over. But I’m waiting to hear what the press I don’t know, I don’t know what’s right or wrong, you know, if they’re looking out for your best interest, and it was a one time deal. And no, but he said, everybody don’t matter where you get your you know, unless your afternoon for like three years from somebody by now. The rates are gonna go up huge in the spring.


Now, you said distribution, but you you met generation supply, right?


No packet is a distribution and generation agenda. It would be the electric company itself, they generate the electric, and then another company distributes it. But no pack would buy your right. No pack would buy the generation part of it.


Yeah, I think it’s the generation is what you shop for?


Yes. Because the distribution would be whoever owns the lines, you are the generation that generation, whoever generates


power generation? Yeah.


What do you think, Ronnie?

Ron Kotkowski  1:48:06

I think we need to look at the numbers at that time. What’s going on? We can’t predict what’s going to happen.


No, but I think it’s more than about the numbers. We can look at the numbers and say, everybody has to go through Padre because they have the cheapest guy retreat like Revanth or somebody did with your Streetsboro. Some of that, what was the name of the company? All the one big garbage Campbell Campbell. And the reason they do have city is because they have a lot of residents. So if there’s 10 Different garbage trucks going down the road, that’s 10 pieces of heavy truck. Well, not all the back roads, you know, so they do that and get the best rate, if we do that and chill it, but we’d be the bigger haul. Because they’d have a storm out. People in little town want to do what they want to do. And they want to have choice. And that’s why we’re not a city. So we’re taking the choice away from him. What do we let we have no pet taken? Well

Ron Kotkowski  1:49:04

take that choice away completely. They just have to opt out.


Yeah, but if you get older people, I mean, even me, and I’m 65 I look at the computer, they keep sending all this stuff to us, you know, like we’re Medicare eligible. Now we’re getting Medicare and, and all these and you don’t understand it. what looks to be official could be a scam. You know, most of my mail goes into recycling. So yes, elderly people and stuff. You know, if I get stuff they could end up paying for two or three months of too high or something thinking they’re doing the right thing when they don’t know if I remember his explanation that night. It started out originally was one of West Coast and East Coast program and the West Coast program. People had to opt in to save the money and they found out they weren’t good enough people on it. So they went to the East Coast program to where they put everybody on and then you had to opt out of it. Right. So that’s when they were getting more money because now instead of residents worried about trying to opt in to save money but more or less look out for yourself and opt out of it. It wasn’t the whole county it was the county in a certain amount of the municipality than the county, but not every municipality was in it. So when

Gregory Benner  1:50:10

you choose an individual contractor outside of that you’re opting out,


right? But what I’m saying is when that when that PCO says they can start doing it again, if you don’t have a long term contract with somebody like me, I’ve been with First Energy forever, but I don’t have a long term contract. I’m just month to month and the rates have always been great. I’m gonna automatically go on OPEC. And then I’m gonna have to call to get my first energy back to three months later,


because we got the same deal and reminder, because we got to watch our water bill canceling the water bill down and not worry about till the time it’s due, or event it takes on their own business and we have to opt out through Ravenna to tell them we want to so I don’t


know what’s right or wrong. But I do know if if PUC Oh, let some everybody would get stuck into their that aren’t no long term contract with everybody. Whether they want them before or not.

Gregory Benner  1:51:01

There’s a good chance Nothing’s gonna get cheaper.


No, no, we know that. Yeah. I think I mean, what do we tell our people that they are with no pecker? Do they get their own choice? Or? Either way, we knew it’s not gonna be good. Yes, sir. It


likes it. I got a solicitation this week. And I was very surprised. The woman said that right now, rates are actually lower than they had forecasted. And they’re dropping right now for power and gas. So it might be a good time to look into things.


Yeah. Yeah. I just heard on the news today, the Russian deal with England or something fell through the ranks on down when they thought they’d automatic for doorbells on national news today. Yeah. So I don’t understand how all this works in the world. Thank goodness, I don’t have to make those decisions.

Gregory Benner  1:51:48

I don’t think chocolate either, you know, like he was explaining a lot of stuff based on they have no control over.


The time of year, they bought their yearly thing,

Gregory Benner  1:52:00

because their contracts six months or a year ahead of time, you know, their contract that they got last year for us right now. So nobody can predict, you know,


yeah, I’m looking. But I’m not predicting the price. I’m not saying that. All I’m saying is do we want to throw all our people on OPEC or not? Or let them stay where they’re at? And if they want no effect? They cannot then because everybody else except they have a long term is out of OPEC right now. It’s been within OPEC for how many years now? A good number of years. But a lot of people will read them, but everybody will go with them. Once the PCO says they’re able to put their thing back in everybody that doesn’t have a long term or get stuck in OPEC because of what happened back to what it was it will automatically go back for what it was now. That’s too much work for him to figure out who what where it’ll all go to no pack and then you have to opt out. So you know, we got a couple of months because it looks like it’s gonna be like spring but we’ll probably have to keep this in the back of our mind. More information and Check Paper get more information commissioners.

Gregory Benner  1:53:08

Good to stay in shops here.


Any thoughts on that? Wait, we see how we just we don’t want to wait? We’ve been built


Okay, does anybody have anything else they want to add? That’s not really related. If they’re not going to come to me. We really want to know further that this is maybe meant nice 45 And thanks, everybody, for coming. Thanks for tuning in moment.

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