Palmyra Fire Station
3956 state Route 225
Diamond, OH 44412
Attendance:
Trustee Tom Grund, Trustee Megan Coss, Trustee Robin Tittel, Fiscal Officer Kelly Harvey, Fire Chief Mark Garvin, Road Supervisor Steve Coss, Zoning Inspector Sandra Nutter
Summary
Township payments were reviewed, and several expenses were approved by the trustees.
Palmyra Township has been invited to meetings regarding the creation of a new joint fire district, which would cover an area of five townships. This new system would be more expensive, but supporters say it would result in faster response times to EMS and fire calls. At the next trustee meeting at 6 p.m. on May 13 at the Palmyra Fire Department, someone will be attending to explain how a fire district would work. The public is welcome to attend and ask questions. The residents of Palmyra will have the final say on whether or not the municipality joins a district because it will be on the ballot. The project is still in the very early planning stages and is estimated to take 2-5 years to complete if passed by voters.
There will be a Boot Drive to raise money for the fire department from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. on May 4 on the corner of Tallmadge Road and state Route 225.
Fire Chief Mark Garvin explained that the fire department will need money to replace bathroom flooring and a chainsaw and to repair an expensive saw used in heavy rescue. The heavy rescue saw will cost around $30,000 to repair.
The Zoning Commission will meet next at 7 p.m. on May 8 at the Palmyra Fire Department. There will be discussions about how agricultural land is defined and regulated in the township to address residents’ concerns about some properties having improper space for animals or outbuildings.
Documenters Notes
The trustees approved the minutes from the regular meeting held April 8, 2025, and passed a motion to pay the bills. It was also discussed that someone will need to start taking screenshots of the township website and social media for recordkeeping purposes to show that they are keeping accurate and updated meeting times posted for the public, as is required by law.
A motion was passed to approve the 2025 salt contract with the Ohio Department of Transportation for 125 tons of salt for the township roadways.
Fiscal Report
The trustees reviewed past and upcoming payments with the township credit card, including $298.52 for Easter candy and $359.64 to renew GoDaddy web hosting for three more years for the township website. A motion passed to allow GoDaddy services to be renewed.
Trustees also discussed whether or not to mail a check for legal services. There was disagreement, but they decided to hold off on sending payment for the time being because the services were not performed properly and corrections need to be made.
Zoning Report
Zoning Inspector Sandra Nutter provided an update on several properties that have code violations and stated that some have already received letters and corrected the issues. The next Zoning Commission meeting will be held at 7 p.m. on May 8 at the Palmyra Fire Station.
Trustee Reports
The township trustees recently attended the first meeting of a new group that was created to merge five adjacent townships’ fire departments into one larger joint fire district. These meetings are closed to the public. Another will be held on May 28 where a board will be formed so that the same elected officials are attending each meeting and decisions can begin to be made. The fire district would not be created for another 2-5 years, and the residents of all involved townships will have the opportunity to vote on whether or not their municipality can join the district.
Initially, the fire district would cost around $6,000-8,000 per township. This funding would be collected by millage. The proposed district would cost more than each township having its own fire department; however, fire department officials say the district would mean more area could be covered for fire and EMS calls, and service could be rendered more quickly. Supporters of the plan say that it would cost townships more to achieve the same quality of emergency services on their own than it would by combining resources with a district.
Randy Porter will be attending the next Palmyra Township Trustees regular meeting at 6 p.m. on May 13 at the Palmyra Fire Department to answer any questions the trustees or members of the public may have about the district.
The trustees explained that after the first year of being in the district, the townships’ individual levies would dissolve and the district would have to pass a new levy to fund services. If the district was created but Palmyra did not join, they would still receive mutual aid from the new fire district.
Trustee Tom Grund expressed concerns that a five-township coverage area is too big and has doubts that emergency call response times would actually improve. Several trustees agreed that, at this time, there are a lot of questions that need to be asked before a decision can be made. However, there are also concerns that if Palmyra does not join the board now, but joins in the future, they will have lost their opportunity to have a say in how the district is formed and will operate.
Other townships that attended the first meeting included Charlestown, Deerfield, Edinburg and Randolph, but Randolph Township only attended to learn about the system. They are interested in creating a district with different municipalities. Each township that is included in the final group will pay the same tax millage for fire services, not the same dollar amount. The current plan is to have two fire houses, one in Paris and another in Palmyra, where there would be staff 24/7. Additional staff would be staged throughout the service area. This means they would not be stationed in fire houses, but rather, waiting in their vehicles for a call to come in.
Trustees have also been told that before the district can be created, a $30,000 feasibility study must be completed, as well. Fire Chief Mark Garvin emphasized that the goal of creating a fire district is not to save money, but rather, to create a better future where people don’t have to wait as long for life-saving services.
Later in the meeting, a resident mentioned that there was previously an attempt to create a district, but the public voted it down. Another individual who works for the Randolph Fire Department also voiced support for a fire district. He explained that with the current system, not all townships have someone on staff 24 hours a day, so calls during the off hours get bounced around to several departments before someone is sent to respond, sometimes delaying services by as much as 20 minutes. He added that those 20 minutes can be the difference between someone surviving or not. However, he said including Deerfield in the agreement would make the district too large to cover efficiently.
The trustees also thanked the members of a Palmyra church for stuffing Easter eggs and donating toys for prizes, as well as the Palmyra Historical Society for donating gift cards and Texas Roadhouse for donating free kids meal coupons.
There will be a Boot Drive to raise money for the fire department from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. on May 4 on the corner of Tallmadge Road and state Route 225. Gavin explained that the money raised will help buy specialty items for their new fire truck, such as mounting brackets for equipment. A reminder about the fundraiser will be posted on the township notice board.
The application for the NatureWorks grant has been sent to Portage County for the last details to be added before it is submitted.
Road Department Report
Road Supervisor Steve Coss replaced the alternator in a township vehicle, but it is still having issues with the gearshift and antifreeze leaks, which are unrelated to the alternator. This vehicle is used by the fire department on calls for mutual aid. Coss will continue working on the problems.
A motion was passed to make purchases for the road department including flags, street flags, perpetual care flowers and mulch for the cemetery.
Fire Chief Report
Garvin said that two of their saws are out of service. One is a chainsaw that is around 30 years old and will cost $400-500 to replace. The other is a K-12 saw that is used for heavy rescue and will cost around $30,000 to repair. The trustees agreed the township will purchase a new chainsaw and Garvin said he will get a quote for repairing the K-12 saw.
A motion was passed to approve paramedic services from University Hospitals with either a 1.5-year contract if Edinburg approves the agreement to pay for half of the contract or a 3-year contract if Edinburg does not pay for half.
The men’s and women’s bathrooms in the firehouse need to be repaired. If the same tile is used to replace the floor, the repair would cost less than $500, but the colors of the hallway and bathroom floors would not match. A different brand of tiles would be more expensive. Garvin will get a quote from First Flooring & Tile for an exact price. The trustees passed a motion to approve up to $600 for replacement tile in both restrooms.
Public Comment
It was reiterated that the next Zoning Commission meeting will be on May 8. One of the trustees plans to attend as a resident and will be asking questions about how the township defines agricultural property. There have been recent concerns about some property owners having too many animals contained in small areas of land.
Some residents brought forward concerns about the behavior of a particular neighbor. They said there were several problem areas, including excessive dog barking at all hours of the day and open burning. The trustees promised to look into whether or not Portage County has dog ordinances. If there are none, Palmyra Township has the authority to adopt and enforce their own resolutions regarding dogs.
The trustees moved into executive session to consider the discipline of a public employee. There was nothing to report from the executive session at this time.
Transcript
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On four stay approved, Presented applause.
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question.
Speaker 1 01:48
Also that $90 one new question I did refer back to that policy there, according so I Want to have you there over that The extra
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support
03:30
something in here smells
Speaker 2 03:38
good, because I came out of work and the air hit me, and it was like a pink eye all of a sudden, allergies, letting it on age. I never had allergies, never now I have eye drops. I got them out. Oh my gosh, and they burn so he
04:17
will be
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I’m gonna
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do that One
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person.
07:07
What’s this? 35 Park,
Speaker 1 07:15
operating supply. It’s the blanket certificate that opened up the fund. So we have money allocated. If they get open up the funds so we have money allocated so that I cover
Speaker 3 07:29
that should cover all their
Speaker 1 07:35
expenses throughout the year, whatever the search and rescue collaborates a certain but
07:48
then I can tell, like the categories
07:53
we never really know.
Speaker 2 08:06
Can’t see be removing the table now.
Speaker 1 08:21
Thank lady
08:27
and said it’s Oh, thank
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you. So I took the time to help
08:41
out. So I took the check out by hand, and that’s why I got it, because that invoice. And so now I’m curious as
08:59
well. I mean, they’re well,
09:07
no, they returned to me saying, don’t use what is that envelope
Speaker 4 09:14
study, okay, and our access that’s exactly
Speaker 1 09:19
the post office keeps returning it crossing What about and right in bricks town, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I mailed it again. They still have that check, which means you think the post office, that’s why I asked you to call and confirm Yeah, the post office was returning as she said, that she’s had so many of her payments that she’s sent out, also still not received like by their
Speaker 2 09:44
What is this $16 Ohio, organic Ohio,
Speaker 1 09:54
local ads that I have to run for like that, most probably for the special need, except for the fire department. I. Oh,
10:00
because it still comes with Kathy’s name, yeah, I’ve asked him, like,
10:02
5000 times.
Speaker 1 10:09
Well, as long as so there is, we can self advertise, but when we self advertise, we have to physically screenshot it and still keep it in our legal notice. So need to be like I.
Megan Coss 10:28
That goes against what that lawyer told us at this meeting. It was he just told us, which is part of my thing for tonight that we have to have every one of those meetings posted.
Speaker 1 10:45
Yeah, you, if you self advertise, like we have our counseling now, if Facebook doesn’t count, but you gotta like whatever, as long as it’s listed on your meetings, that’s maybe you’re not in a meeting, and then professionally, time
11:04
that comes, but you need to have a screen separate the proof that we’re doing that in each one Of those,
11:17
I only post or do a special meeting. And then they send back the certified like, I don’t care what to do, we just need to make sure that if we aren’t even doing the website and capturing our
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studies, there’s probably show change. That’s what the
Speaker 1 11:46
things that it said. I don’t really have anything orderly reports, and it’s
12:00
early reports and that, I guess I was going to ask about how we want to
Speaker 1 12:09
proceed with the meetings, I think, like I said, we don’t typically go to the newspaper. I’m not sure a special meeting or I’m moving in the meeting. I’m fine if you don’t do that anymore, because it’s very expensive to do. However, we just need to make sure that we are posting on our website and our Facebook page, and then keeping a record of it if we’re going to go that route. So I don’t know if whoever is responsible for posting that can just screenshot it to us to ensure it got posted so in the wall or whatever. However you guys wanna do, that’s fine. I can keep doing the link. I’m gonna do the website. I think we should. It said that we should update our policy. Major name we’ll do with how we’re gonna handle it from here
Speaker 2 12:56
going forward. So context, Jen, to make sure those things are posted. I don’t usually ask
Speaker 1 13:07
questions meeting. So can you, like, cc the thoughts on the email and then have her send back, like a screenshot or something that posted it, that it’s been posted, and then cross
Speaker 5 13:30
talks about that
Speaker 6 13:40
early, no. Good, real quick, just drug test results. Steve, I emailed you. I know it’s good, given the copy for the file for Kelly, I got the fall contract number you wanted
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125 you
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guys have any concerns with 125 times,
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that’s that’s what that takes to fill it and
Speaker 6 14:15
allow me, Steve, to execute that. So I’ll make a motion that we contract 125 tons at the ODOT road. So contract for 2025, and then we execute the written
Speaker 2 14:35
document from the same page. Yes. If
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you guys can sign it and then pass it to
Speaker 6 14:51
Steve receipt for Easter community, $298.52 on Colorado Township. Card. Here’s a receipt. Next thing real quick, GoDaddy, which serves as our web hosting platform that we modified when we changed a couple years ago, we signed on for three years worth of web hosting. I got any notification that is set up for renewal next week. So for another three years, it is 350 $9.64 I did contact diamond marketing make sure it is needed and it is being utilized. She did say, yes, it’s hosting the the domain any concerns, I’ll make a motion that we renew the web hosting through Go Daddy for Three years cost us $359.64 Yes,
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I’ll take care
Speaker 6 16:02
of put it on my card, hands copies for you guys to review. These are just snippets of the specific policies that we want to use there for each of you guys. It’s just the changes that were talked about during the special meeting. It reflects the meeting minutes that we sent out on that. So what is in yellow actually changed? You guys can take the next meeting cycle review that, and then if you guys are doing don’t see the changes, then we will make a motion to approve update manuals and so
Megan Coss 16:55
I have this check here. As you both know, I sent the email. I Kelly, you asked if we have to check, I have to check. I sent an email on four nine asking Brett as to when his end is going to be finished. He responded back that he was waiting on the other party. I’m not sure what he’s waiting on the other party for
17:23
if they agree, but
Speaker 2 17:28
didn’t you guys settle that in court? So that doesn’t make sense to me. What do you mean first time? So that’s but that was us saying it’s not written Right,
Speaker 6 17:37
correct. So he gives them the same opportunity before I was going to get asked
Megan Coss 17:41
you. So I guess I’m willing to get this back to it’s just my personal opinion that you shouldn’t pay a job until it’s done and their end isn’t done.
Speaker 1 17:53
So that’s what I got from them the other day. It was saying that we’re going to be subject to I still want a bunch of late fees, right?
Speaker 6 18:01
So I called. I let the voice know again this morning as well. I sent an email response.
Speaker 2 18:14
Well, and have you tried either of these phone numbers? I wonder if those would be.
18:21
I think that’s just
Speaker 6 18:22
the core. Right, but
Megan Coss 18:25
maybe let them know why they haven’t received it and we’re delinquent for a reason. They haven’t done their end of the job.
Speaker 1 18:37
We’re paying that attorney or the mediator. The mediator is done, right? That’s all
Speaker 2 18:41
mediators. Well. All of it, none of it’s done because it’s not done. The attorney is not
18:46
getting that. That’s not,
Megan Coss 18:47
no, we don’t pay the prosecutors free, yeah, but none of it is technically done because it wasn’t done right? The
Speaker 1 18:57
prosecutor’s side isn’t done. The mediator side is done. To finish the mediation session. It’s just, but
Megan Coss 19:03
what happened in that mediation hasn’t moved forward, but
Speaker 1 19:07
that’s not, I see what I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not. It’s not the mediators responsibility to wrap it up. Everything was finalized and decided. It’s the prosecutor’s job to document it and give it all signatures, which that’s not part of that bill, so, but I know what you’re saying, because we
Megan Coss 19:25
don’t have closure, right? And if you feel we can pay we should pay it. We can. I just it is two
19:35
separate entities, but it does not help our cause of why it’s not anything clear. Again, I plan on COVID. Anything,
Megan Coss 19:46
so I left my sticky note on there. We just attached that. I don’t know, because there’s case numbers and things on there. I don’t know if you’ll need those, so you’re not going to
19:57
pay it, even though this is for. Not, I don’t think you’re going to give anything
Megan Coss 20:13
to us. Okay, that and I brought this, but apparently you’ve already done them. This is from last meeting, the first that I got to see, the surveys that you did with the employees that I responded to your email. Because I was completely taken back by all this. I was under the impression we were going to have three to five questions, and they were going to be about employees advancement. But you and I have talked about that, and you turned this in, and there are two employees on there that aren’t fulfilling the three days a month, so I didn’t know if you’ve addressed that or not. That’s why I have that in my stack. And then Sandy, I want to know if you would send a letter. I don’t know the address to the house pass the first I think it’s the first house past universal
Speaker 2 21:16
heading towards the lake on the left. Yeah. I’m talking about. It’s, I got so too. There is a little small in there. And then
21:27
it, have
Speaker 2 21:28
they ever received letters? They have and then, usually, but
21:39
yes, there’s, seven back there. Okay.
Megan Coss 21:45
So she says the second it might all kind of blend in universal is the little road that, yeah, when you drive down 18. So the bars to the right, little diagonal from that. So there’s the Fence Company, yes, when you’re going down the hill, they have made a mastery all the way down the hill, okay, alright,
Speaker 2 22:08
but that little road is universal, okay? And then I wanted to know you sent a letter about the campers. I did,
22:17
and they’re gone. They
Megan Coss 22:19
are gone. Do you give a time frame for that?
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I put it in minutes here, so because I’ve
Megan Coss 22:26
never seen the letter, so I was just curious for my own knowledge or by cast.
22:35
So do they get a time frame? 30 days. 30
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days. Okay, that’s all.
Speaker 4 22:41
Yeah, so they Well, last time I checked was on the 19th of April. I seen it before that. I wanted to make sure go down 76 and I did not see anything out there either. So Okay,
Megan Coss 22:54
okay, and then I have this for you guys. Mark and I went to what they want to call the southeast Oh, yeah, they haven’t made well, is it the official name?
Speaker 7 23:15
That’s just the name you’re using right at the moment, the southeast district.
Megan Coss 23:19
I did one for you girls, if you want one. The second this sheet with the squares, we received this once already, because Mark went to the educational class. This top one is one that the lawyer brought for us to review. I made you girls once if you want to have them. And Mark probably will speak on this as well, because we went to the meeting together, and Jeff Bixler ran the meeting. They are going to meet at six o’clock at Edinburg town hall the fourth Wednesday of every month, they next meeting, want to create and form the board. So whoever goes will be the board. Is
Speaker 7 24:19
this to that point? Well, you have to, you have to form a board before you can even move ahead at all. Yeah, before
Megan Coss 24:27
you can even move forward with conversating. They don’t picture this happening to like, three to five years, but they want to form a board so that they have to save people coming every month to vote on things. Uh, there’s five townships right now. We have one township that is going to come to all the meetings, but they, they haven’t decided if they’re going to participate. You get paid $30 a meeting, and you can be a trustee. You. But if you’re a trustee and you it’s your election year and you don’t make it, you can be appointed by your current trustees to be the board of the southeast district. Each township has to put a notice of the meetings on our township site if you’re going to participate, we have to advertise it. So the question was about money, and as of right now, there is no savings in the district. It actually is going to cost more money. It’s going to cost more money to get it started up. There is a group that will help start it up. They are about $30,000 so they’re looking for six to $8,000 per township to help start this up. All the fleet of each township will be used right away. Then eventually we they will decide which fleet needs sold and which fleet they’re going to keep. There is no free prosecutor. You have to purchase your own, which is not cheap. The rest of the fleet would be sold. The group that’s going to come help would be 68,000 per Township. And I asked, what would be the purpose of this, if it’s going to be more expensive than everybody having their own Township, and it is for around the clock coverage, they’re trying to find better response times and more coverage. Me feeling a little lost of all of it, trying to understand there’s a particular gentleman there named Randy Porter from Charlestown, and He currently works this in green, and he is willing to go township to township to discuss and answer any questions. So for that to happen before the next meeting, which is the third Wednesday of May, Wednesday the 21st we would need to meet with him at our next meeting, and our next meeting is Tuesday May 13. So as of right now, he is scheduled to come here six o’clock on Tuesday May 13. Oh, sorry, the 28th I wrote it on the wrong day in heaven there. So the 20 may 28 is the southeast fire district meeting. So Randy is going to come on Tuesday May 13, at six o’clock to answer any questions that we may have because I didn’t think it was very fair that we can’t all be at these meetings. You go and hear something, I go and hear something. He goes, When? How do you appoint somebody to represent when we don’t even know if this is something we want to do? There was a lot of questions asked. I tried to hit the main points. One other thing that I didn’t hit tonight was the current tax paying funds. Any of that would stop. They would do their own it would just dissolve.
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I did absolutely after one year.
28:44
Megan, oh, is it? Was it one year? One year,
Speaker 7 28:47
okay, one year. The townships levies would be put in to start the district. After that, the district must get passed their own levies so that it’s the same levy throughout everybody in the district, and that’s when the voters actually get a chance to say yes or no, yes,
Megan Coss 29:07
this will be voted on just because, say, right now about three or on Tuesday the 13th, we hear him out and say, Okay, we’re going to appoint Robin. And you go to these meetings, it could still be voted no. Just because we choose to do it doesn’t necessarily mean the residents are going to choose to do it. I did ask, so what if we choose not to do this and you guys move forward? What happens to our township? Nothing, because mutual aid is given no matter what.
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So
Megan Coss 29:41
that’s where I stand. So how are you going to have better call times if you’re combining the southeast district? I don’t understand it. It’s the same. It’s way too big. He said they want to see. Stage. They’re even talking about starting up staging. So Tuesdays, Palmyra sits at the intersection from this shift to this shift. And is that the way you took it as well?
Speaker 7 30:15
Staging, there’s all kinds of different ideas. This is all and that’s why it’s going to take two to three, at least two to three years, because all this stuff has to be five, yeah, has to all be worked out prior to this ever even getting started. This is there’s a lot of more questions than there is answers. Yet there’s this is going to be a slow, drawn out process, and it’s not going to be something that is remedied overnight, right?
Speaker 6 30:47
So did you said McCarty was there? McCarty
Speaker 2 30:51
was there. McCarty, do you agree with the whole board has
Speaker 6 30:55
to be formed now, because in my brain that yes, he
Speaker 7 30:59
was the one. He was the one that actually just pushing it. He
Megan Coss 31:02
said he kept the same people coming here once a month, because what happens is, you go in next month and you’re going to ask all the questions that were already talked about, and they don’t want to keep doing that they want.
31:16
They want.
Speaker 6 31:18
I mean, I can see after three or four meetings where there’s
31:23
the first I’m hearing you want me to form a board tomorrow.
Speaker 6 31:26
I This is the first other than the initial email saying we want to look into this. This was the first meeting. How all of a sudden they think that everybody’s done hell, there’s way too many questions.
Speaker 2 31:37
Well, that’s why he’s coming on Tuesday the 13th.
31:41
We’re only Mike. 13th, ready? One Randy,
31:44
Jeff and one other one was coming
Speaker 2 31:50
there tonight. I think all coming or just No, no, there
31:53
was three of them that
Speaker 6 31:55
were coming. Okay, too big. Yeah, I feel like that’s way too much to chew off in the beginning.
Megan Coss 32:03
I I don’t know one way. The only thing I do know is I asked about the money because I believe Palmer might have a little bit more than some of our surrounding townships. And oh, he wants right into Oh, no, no. You’ll be compensated. You’ll be compensated. Yeah, it’s almost we’re the only ones that I have a couple
32:29
questions. Can you tell me so the townships
32:40
are that we’re in attendance. He can
Speaker 7 32:41
What was the question we’re offering? In attendance at the meeting. Charlestown was there, Deerfield was there, Paris was there, Meyer Edinburg and Randolph came to listen. Because Randolph, they’re, they’re, they’re not, won’t join in this district, but they want to see how it all has to go down. But he said they’re going to create because in the next five years, they’re going to be in the same boat.
Megan Coss 33:07
They are. Who are they doing theirs with? Probably
Speaker 7 33:09
going to be at water and on Randolph and some on in stark County Water borough,
Speaker 2 33:17
part of the southeast district. They
Speaker 7 33:20
they feel they’re, they’re too far out to be involved with our district, so they
Megan Coss 33:27
want to go. They’re sitting and listening. So that’s when I was like, Well, who said Palmyra is I was a little
Speaker 6 33:36
confused. We were interested in hearing more. Yeah, that’s, that’s where it was left. Yeah. So
Megan Coss 33:41
my suggestion is, from now till Tuesday May 13, write it all down, because they give you so much information. By the time I left there, I was like, poof.
Speaker 7 33:52
Mind blown. Megan and I had a long discussion on Friday so Megan
Megan Coss 33:59
could get what is he talking about and, and why is, why would we do that? I mean, and online, for me, we have the brand new fire truck, and we have the money, and we, I don’t know that it’s, I don’t know. Do I think it’s the future, yes, but Oh, and one of the things about not being part of this award, Chief made a good a good suggestion when I said, why don’t we just back out and they can move forward, and then when the time comes, we feel comfortable, or then we can move forward with this. Then you have lost your your opportunity to set voice, yeah, lost your voice. Yeah, yup.
Speaker 7 34:48
They’ve already, they’ve already figured out exactly how they’re going to do it, and your voice doesn’t count at that point. Yes.
Speaker 1 34:54
Okay, so So may 13 should be notified if you. Unity, that these people are coming May 13 to talk about fire districts. So if there’s any other I’m just asking a question,
Megan Coss 35:06
I think, don’t it. We didn’t even talk about the public. It was more so for him not repeating. We even talked about making it a work session. We’re trying to figure out ways that everybody can hear it. Everybody meeting the board without interrupting the Sunshine Law.
Speaker 1 35:25
I feel like if we’re performing a board, I really would like to know what the community thinks like before we just walk I don’t
35:33
know like this needs to be spread out just
Megan Coss 35:37
I don’t know if they’re ready to throw it out to the community until they have enough information, and they can’t get enough information, because it’s a five different surrounding districts. Problem
Speaker 1 35:49
number one, but I feel like it’s a little bit a little bit alarming to the community if we say we’re joining this board for a fire district, and they may not understand what that means. I’ve
Speaker 2 36:01
never heard Well, I think he wants it sounds very serious. If it’s still
Speaker 1 36:04
just, we’re just in talks, I want to give them the opportunity to understand that and come to the meeting. I don’t know.
Megan Coss 36:10
Did you get a feel of if this was supposed to well, all meetings are open to the public, right? But is it something we were to advertise to the public,
Speaker 7 36:19
or they said that we could if we wanted to, okay, was the way they kind of left it. They didn’t really say no, and they didn’t say yes. They just they didn’t
36:28
realize, I think we should whatever comes. I’ve
Speaker 7 36:34
received this today from ready for what is that 13 page questionnaire is survey of all of our stuff, everything, so they can start trying to figure out the feasibility study that they were talking about. And that’s, that’s what’s going to cost, 39 $30,000 is the feasibility study he they’re going to have to do prior.
37:02
He’s working it with green Township,
Speaker 7 37:05
green Green Fire Department, green city, just up just north of Ben. It should be two
37:11
or three smaller departments. Ben, manageable call area, I don’t know. I believe South Street schools is the largest.
37:20
I believe southeast schools is the largest
Megan Coss 37:23
That’s correct. And that I brought up at the meeting as well, didn’t I when I said, so who up here is going to cover some of these schools? Palmares always done it. So I did bring that up. We did quite a bit. And
Speaker 6 37:37
I don’t know what you would probably utilize the station in this area just for that exact
Megan Coss 37:44
Well, I said that. I said, Mark, if somebody from this fire department is there daily, they that school consumes some form of the minutes every day, so they are aware of
Speaker 1 37:56
it. Chief, I’d briefly discuss this with you, and I just want to clarify, make sure I understand. So however, Maine townships are in this district, their piece of the pie for funding this has to be equal.
Speaker 7 38:09
So everybody has to be so if there’s $50,000 cost,
Speaker 1 38:14
everyone, everyone’s tax levy needs to contribute exactly $10,000 if there’s five five townships. So regardless of how many households or citizens are in that Township, everyone needs to contribute. Go
Speaker 6 38:30
ahead. It goes out with your millage. What you do is, when you finally get to the point of where you ready to put up for a vote, you
38:35
put it up for a vote with the millage. And
Speaker 6 38:38
if Palmira only is that four and a half million right now in the village, they are thinking it should be as four and three quarter, or to go up Paris, whoever’s they have to balance them out. So every township pays the same millage. That’s much the same dollar amount, because they’re not the same bill size of a township, not just square miles, right? And the village isn’t worth the same per
39:00
Township, correct?
Speaker 6 39:03
Well, no the valuation, but a mill is a mill. Regard, you know le Ben for a mill. It goes across. You know all five townships, and if you have a lower median income, or your property value a little lower, you’re going to pay a little less, but you pay a little less before, but it’s the millage, not the money, that is equal.
Speaker 2 39:27
It’s so interesting, like I felt so stressed when I left
Speaker 6 39:30
the contribution, your individual contribution to get to that mill will be different, but the millage will
Megan Coss 39:36
be so let me ask you this, Henry, since it sounds like you, it’s a little educated. So, so say all these townships come in with $10,000 I know it’s different. I’m just type of, then what happens to palmyra’s money? Then, at that point, after
39:57
one year, no longer Palmyra come. He is into a
Speaker 2 40:00
one big. It’s still, yeah, and I don’t, I’m a good
Speaker 7 40:05
extra, that’s what. That’s why our levees, we can own and off the district can only operate off of township 20 for one year after that. It’s, it’s, it’s district wine Levy. I
Megan Coss 40:17
get the concept of it. I get the concept of it, but we’re not throwing in apples to apples.
Speaker 1 40:24
We wouldn’t. After the year, you would pay for your year, you would contribute equally. Then this whole levy would just stop. And then it would be like a school Levy, where everybody in Dallas would start to pay a bigger chunk. So like right now, we pay four Mills, but if they need 10 mills to operate or whatever, but everyone in the community has belonging. Wouldn’t just be set up for us, and we would get rid of the fire department basically here, right? It would just be level that road in our general
Speaker 6 40:56
I would also say, if you were going to consider it, it would not be for the reason of
41:04
saving money. He said,
Speaker 6 41:06
right? If you’re going to do it, you could say we would have a brand new fire truck. Our budget is a little higher. If you were doing it, you were going to be doing it for the greater good of the future, not for one,
Megan Coss 41:17
right? He said, For the future, and not because we’re trying to make or save money, but because somebody’s going to show up when you call 911, that’s that’s around the clock. That’s what he said, that what
Speaker 1 41:34
is that like? And I know that sounds like a dumb question, but like, how is that relationships
Speaker 6 41:41
for five people? Shifts.
41:45
How are you going to get
Megan Coss 41:48
past so you guys write down, you know what I mean, starting now, write down all of the things, because you have an opportunity. He’s really educated because he’s working it now, and I think he helped set that up, and Mark might know the name of the software. They they run everything’s based off numbers, and they have these maps, I don’t nobody called the program.
Speaker 7 42:12
This all of our reporting software. No, we don’t have it. Yes, we have part of that opportunity,
Megan Coss 42:17
not everything he was using, because us nettenberg Didn’t happen. Yeah,
Speaker 7 42:22
we we’re using the state repair software. The state can pull those figures, but the software he’s using
42:31
pulls
Speaker 7 42:35
he’s using the old firehouse program, which is no longer which is now esio That wanted an ungodly amount why we went away from but a bigger city is actually, is actually cheaper for them to maintain, or up to their own firehouse and go to this ISO. That’s why he has access to it to bring to run our data. That’s why he sent out the question here today in an email for all the bus chiefs to fill out,
Megan Coss 43:10
plugging it in. Yeah, this one you guys will want to read this answered a lot of questions. Supervisor sat down. This is the one that was from McCarty. He plans to be at every meeting. He said, right
Speaker 7 43:22
until the board is officially formal, then they have to get easier. But right now you be that probably the perfect
Megan Coss 43:35
and then I have one last thing. I Sandy, as a resident, would like to come to the next zoning meeting. I
Speaker 8 43:42
have a list of stuff here that I would like to come to.
43:46
Can you tell me when that zoning meeting is
43:49
reported? Zoning Commission?
43:53
Yes, that would be
43:57
May, 2, Thursday.
Speaker 2 44:05
So is that the eighth second Thursday? Yeah, I guess the first and then the eighth, right? And that’s six o’clock here, seven o’clock, seven, I think we put it. Somewhere, or maybe I said, where is it?
Megan Coss 44:35
7pm Okay, so it is the eighth and 7pm Okay, and is that what residents do is come to those meetings when they have things they would like to go over questions
44:48
or concerns or change, come to the zoning meeting. Okay?
Megan Coss 44:58
And that was it for me. Much. So where do we stand with notifying this? So do you feel that that’s causing waves, or know that he you understood it as it was okay, because they’re public meetings anyways,
45:18
I would like to I mean, what
Megan Coss 45:20
if we emailed him and let him know that we’re going to invite the community so that the questions could be asked? But see, I think he was afraid that we were going to alarm the community too early, when the board doesn’t have you still have questions. I think community would
Speaker 1 45:36
be alarmed if we said we’re doing a board for a fire district, and we get given an opportunity to understand what that meant. What does that mean for our love? I think
45:49
he’s wanting to answer those kinds of questions. Do you? I
Speaker 7 45:58
think I do. Personally think it’d probably be a good idea. Just let let the town just know you do,
Megan Coss 46:05
even though it’s the first week. Do you think we should email him and let him know that we’re gonna post it as I cuz,
Speaker 2 46:16
what if 200 people show up? He might be a little overwhelmed when he thinks he’s coming to talk to me, but you get what I’m saying. I want to ambush the guy. I get what you’re saying too. I just don’t know if it’s quite that
46:33
far. We have to
46:40
figure out a, what we’re going to have for
Megan Coss 46:42
and B, I think that’s right. Another reason why they’re trying to move forward as well, right? One, because everybody’s so Okay, that was me. Um,
Speaker 1 46:56
yes, thank you. Okay, so thank you to everyone that helped. Easter Yes, it did. We had wind for sure. But everything was good, special. Thank you to Palmyra church. The church members stuffed all the eggs for the playground. And there’s one other thing, oh, they donated. No, they just stuffed all the eggs. Oh, they donated the eggs for the prizes, the grand prizes. And then the Palmyra Historical Society donated some gift cards for prizes. And also born in Texas Roadhouse, donated 100 kids meal coupons that were hidden amongst the eggs. So super appreciative of that. We do have a boot drive coming up on May 4, Chief, I wanted to ask if there was something specific we were raising
Speaker 7 47:45
money for it. We could tell that just for specialty items for the new truck that’s coming in, does the
47:53
fridge last time? Right? Yeah. Refrigerator,
Speaker 7 47:55
the mount the mounting brackets that will be needing to mount the different movement in the in the truck. You know that it’s everything the money will be utilized on a brand new truck. Steve,
48:12
can we put that on the sign up front the boot drive? Yes. Is it May 4?
48:19
Okay. Following that, do you want the
48:24
meeting about the
48:26
fire district?
Speaker 2 48:31
We have a primary election here on May 6. Should that be on
48:37
there? We don’t. I didn’t
48:40
hear you. We usually don’t put up the boat, okay, that’s a better
Speaker 1 48:52
version. I feel like it’s shortened up on science. I would not. Let’s just put it up. And that’s social media, get the boot drive out there. The other comment I wanted to make, just so it said out loud, I know we’re doing a the association student fundraiser. Yes, can we just make sure? And I realize this is assumed, but I just want to say a lot of tickets are only sold to 21 over and whoever wins it, we check
49:24
Yeah, it’s written actually
49:26
on the ticket, awesome,
49:27
which after,
Speaker 1 49:34
okay, and then I did send everything that we have filled out, finalized for The Nature works grant over to Todd east, at the county he’s reviewing everything and adding in what they’ve been compiling for us. So we’re at the final gathering compilation process of getting the new torch grant applied to that’s all I had on my side. Oh.
Speaker 2 50:00
Did you get the packet I put in your mailbox? Yes, and I highlighted my concern. Did you have time to go over that? I looked at,
Megan Coss 50:09
that’s okay. We’ll leave the one for now. Alright, we have time, yeah, I just, I just, she sent an email again today, or Tom did and, yeah, so I thought for accepting that, yeah, and I’m not even sure if we don’t take it, if we have to respond, yeah, no, that’s okay. I would have completely forgot. But he sent that email, and I saw Greg before I came in second.
50:44
Okay, no, I think she has to Say
51:02
that, doesn’t she?
51:22
Job, oh, yeah, you. This is where we
51:32
go. We have
Speaker 4 52:19
now. So right now we have new permits. Albert Lance on 9034 townage Road, 12 foot by 24 foot deck, Capstone custom homes for Zachary Smith and 9778, Williams road, a new single family home, a zoning violation notice to 9447, COVID Road structural changes to commercial building without the zoning, then we have the Zoning Commission, and that’s where the board discussed with residents on Williams Road problem of the neighbors that was barking and I Brad Vaughn said he’s going to contact the Elmira township prosecuting attorney for help on this matter. Then we have Robbie white on towns road, and then the parcel number the campers that were in zoning violation have been removed, so the property is now in compliance, unless they come back good.
Speaker 2 53:34
And that’s all I got for tonight. And she wanted to copy that. She went to copy your other papers in I think she was, she’s got a copy of minutes
Speaker 6 53:48
from the Commission meeting. This is a book paper to join a new owner.
53:58
And brown property is now
Speaker 6 54:02
the river. Oh, contempt for the property being destroyed again. It changed ownership so that it’s going to add the new owner to the existing
54:16
your box. Or is
54:21
that already good? Ben, well,
Megan Coss 54:27
I’m sorry. I know you just answered it, but I was thinking about that. What is she making copies of
54:32
the board, Zoning Commission. Oh, the
Speaker 2 54:34
meeting they have. Okay, okay, we told them to go to that meeting. And so this is just the minutes. Are those minutes usually posted somewhere? Chief Judge?
55:08
Down. He
55:11
did. I was young to wake up. I know I was watching you therapy.
Speaker 1 55:54
To remind again, what day is southeast community service day? It’s coming up, isn’t it, to May,
56:11
pretty sure is the 23rd i
56:26
and where? Where do we have them helping out
56:29
in our cemetery and March?
56:38
And you’re taking a board. I
56:49
Sir, Steve, can you update us where we’re at with 2026 you were organized,
56:56
so I replaced the alternator
56:59
and it ran for hours and hours.
Speaker 3 57:02
Everything was great. Mark got in. It couldn’t come out, fuel, brought it back to the station years, which are both unrelated to it later. So I don’t know it’s it’s a demon, but I did get mister background check back. He can start, and I didn’t take him up the line between his business and can be an employee, so he can do it on employee time, and that’s one of the things I was gonna have, man, they’re okay to get him going. Now,
57:52
if you haven’t done
Speaker 6 58:02
what about once he gets his form, yeah, which makes no sense to
58:10
get his eye out. Has your
Speaker 6 58:17
elected official? To make because you’re an elected
Speaker 1 58:29
official and it’s not okay. Yeah, no, I’m just letting you know. So folks, that
Speaker 2 58:33
still is dumb, though I agree. Who cares if you’re
58:38
elected official, right? Yeah.
Speaker 6 58:40
So it’s done. So currently not working, currently not working. And I Mike’s going to work look at it. Mike
58:47
is going to look at it, because it’s way over my head. There’s things going wrong on every end of it. Okay, the gear shift doesn’t have anything to do with the ordinary or the boss.
59:07
Do we need one? What? What’s the purpose of it?
Speaker 7 59:11
Purpose of the car? Yeah, it’s the vehicle we take when we we go taking mutual weight. So we’re going over there. We’re not working a squad and leaving a squad with all the truck boxes sitting in somebody’s driveway or any of that. But
Speaker 2 59:27
we have other vehicles. You don’t have to take the squad. We
Speaker 7 59:32
we usually either take 26 or 1717, in the middle of winter. Now you’re exposing it to all the wet, all the cold weather exposing a boat with water in
Speaker 2 59:42
what about the off the road truck that’s
Speaker 7 59:46
that’s the brush truck, that’s 2017 and they sit there with water in it in the middle of the winter outside.
59:58
Well, let’s see what it is before we jump there. You
1:00:01
agree? Okay, let’s see
1:00:05
what it is, maybe.
Speaker 6 1:00:09
But any concerns with the purchases on the list? No, no, I’ll make a motion that we make to follow the purchases for the road. Road department. Flags, $940 per top industries. Street flags, $400 from Amazon, perpetual care. Flowers, $200 from wise greenhouse and mulch for the cemetery, about $400 from CVS. Tops, second, yes. Pause.
1:00:43
Second, yes,
1:00:52
yes, come out of Something different.
1:00:59
No, Chief, I G
Megan Coss 1:01:22
Steve, those perpetual care flowers or others only for the cemetery, yes, because the park has a pole that hangs that Sanders put in with the rock, and it has four hanging basket hooks hanging off of it. Put four baskets on just for you to water once or twice. Right? Do you know what I’m talking about? We have a whole fire station. We
1:01:59
don’t understand it now leave water every day.
Megan Coss 1:02:05
How many times old cop car that’s broke down drove past that park? They can put a cup of water in there, and then, why’d we put that there? Or did Sanders,
1:02:20
Mrs. Sanders, when she was in better health, used to do the flowers.
Speaker 2 1:02:24
Oh, she did. What the name they were amazing. I thought Mark did
Speaker 6 1:02:29
that, and then the Girl Scouts did. So if there’s another group that would like to do flowers, God
1:02:35
bless your boy scouts want to do the flowers. Not
1:02:37
going to be Steven Henry,
1:02:40
okay, Steve, we can get you a Hello Kitty
Speaker 6 1:02:46
thing I noticed this weekend at Easter, and it’s just reminding the windows in the shadow. Awesome, yes. However, one small addition, if we cook, could we put some hooks and hold them open. It’s not quite waterproof anymore, but they Were Thank you. Steve
Speaker 3 1:03:22
mm, another question.
Speaker 1 1:04:00
So the saws out of service. Those are already no you need to take them. TV, Ben, cost. I
Speaker 2 1:04:32
wait a minute. I’m so confused. We have two saw out of service. Go to coil one saw.
Speaker 7 1:04:41
This is the K 12 saw off of the heavy rescue the other one. What? What happened to it? That it’s out it’s leaking fuel the carburetor. This gasses ate all the fuel lines the carburetor, everything out of it. We went try to get parts, and I went down to where the saw was first. And they said, you know, they never, they don’t even work on anymore. You take
Megan Coss 1:05:05
it to and what does a saw like that cost about $1,500 okay? Saw number two
Speaker 7 1:05:14
is the chain saw. It’s our 14 inch limb chain saw that we use to the to the balloons and everything off the trees, and when they blow down, you know, we use the one brush fires, and that one’s got the triggers are all busted on it. Then you plastic triggers that sauce about 30 years old. Oh,
1:05:33
and what does that saw cost
1:05:36
probably around $400 if we replace it.
1:05:40
Which one of these two saws is more important? Both
Speaker 7 1:05:43
are important. One, one’s a chainsaw, the one’s got a carbide tip, diamond tip wheel on it. Can
Speaker 1 1:05:51
we purchase a new number two saw? Kelly, I mean,
Megan Coss 1:05:59
we can. Steve, how much is a chainsaw? Where you go for him to cut some brush?
Speaker 2 1:06:06
Gonna be four or 500 bucks, is it? Yeah. I mean, because it’s 30 years old, we’re not going to fix the 30 year old saw. Are we?
Speaker 6 1:06:14
I would agree with quoting a new one for that one, yeah, and then preparing the page. Well,
1:06:20
I’ll get, I’ll get I’ll get quotes. I said quote,
1:06:28
right? This is truly that old.
Speaker 7 1:06:34
That’s a mess running this room is all we have, actually,
1:06:41
a 30 year old song. Broke
Speaker 7 1:06:42
the trigger. It was the best road song. Plastic
1:06:52
years old, yeah. Now wait a minute.
Speaker 5 1:06:55
30 year old soul, bro, you’re broke. November will be my 30th wedding anniversary, my wife ain’t throwing me away. Come on.
Megan Coss 1:07:14
The only concern I have is the three year service agreement is that’s to come on with us, not Edinburgh, right? That is
1:07:21
with us, not in
Megan Coss 1:07:23
and is that? Is that, did we put certain amount of hours you have to give us?
1:07:30
Maybe, when you stand good standing order? Oh,
Speaker 2 1:07:33
so he would be able to do three days here and three days at Edinburgh. He’s
Speaker 7 1:07:38
been doing three days here and three days at Edinburgh. Anyways. Okay, yes,
Megan Coss 1:07:41
I just met, you know, since we make them sign the service agreement, what is Edinburg gonna be willing to split if he’s giving us three days, but he’s giving them three days. Anyways, okay, okay, I get it. Am I he’s
1:07:55
here also, so we’re talking. Mom. Just wanted to make sure
Speaker 6 1:08:05
any concerns with the three year service agreement, only concern was if they were paying half of it, if Edinburgh spent half of it, I was told it’s 2000 every year. So if Edinburgh may have only paying 3000 would that service
1:08:24
premium cut in half? Because
1:08:29
you guys are only paying
Speaker 7 1:08:32
half of the money, I can rewrite. We have the one year and we have the two year service improvement in the three year, the three years one we’ve always used for the cost, because of the cost, still, that 2000 come off every year. You know, you only rewrite it with the two year. I’ll rewrite it with the two year and a half. I don’t have, I don’t have
Speaker 2 1:09:04
could we not scratch that out? And if we have a sign it and it be as legit or
1:09:12
okay, you have somebody pulling
1:09:16
the spot for him, right?
Speaker 7 1:09:20
I would love to get in. Yeah. You guys doing okay? Well, I tell you what, if Edinburgh decides not to to,
1:09:30
Edinburg is not going to know. Oh, I thought that said to be no.
Speaker 7 1:09:34
Chief Lockman called me this morning on that he is presenting it to his board. Thursday, yeah, the Thursday. So for right now, I would say, leave the three years until we know Ben much going to pick up the half
Speaker 6 1:09:47
hour? Are you good with if they don’t pick up half, and you’re good with three if they pick up half, they go now we just make the motion either way, because
1:09:55
they don’t meet till Thursday, we make
Speaker 6 1:09:57
it if we pay for half, it’s going to. Half. Yep. Okay, either way. Okay, I will make a motion that we approve paramedic course or New Age Portage for Edgar Polino with a pending a one and a half year service contract, if Elmira covers half the cost of the course, a three year service agreement, if Tom I recovers the entire house. Yes,
Speaker 2 1:10:34
that’s necessary right now, my Ben, would you say sorry? I
1:10:42
wouldn’t think so, with everything that we have going on. What? What is it just to repair the bathroom alone, Chief,
Speaker 7 1:10:50
if we just do the bathroom, I didn’t recopy that. It was less than 500 if I just redo it with BCP, what’s, oh,
Speaker 6 1:11:07
that’s the pile, okay, the issue was that there’s nothing you can’t get that. So it’s going to have to be something completely different. So you don’t have to make a funny little square, no, do the whole man’s
Speaker 1 1:11:20
bathroom, right? It was $500 to do the men’s bathroom. Okay? So that whole men’s bathroom, men’s
Speaker 7 1:11:28
and women’s bathroom, both of them have to be done. Both of them have been Oh, sorry, I missed it in the women’s.
1:11:32
No, the women’s actually have more time off than the men’s. I didn’t
1:11:36
even look in the women’s because I thought it was just the men’s.
Speaker 1 1:11:42
I Yeah, so what are you gonna do both bathrooms for $500 What’s
1:11:47
that you can
1:11:47
do both bathrooms for $500
Speaker 7 1:11:49
if we go back to BCT, what is that cheap floor? Does it say the floor that we have in there right now, and how old is that Ben put in there when Paul is became chief, and Henry just became trustee. So we’re looking at 20 years. Oh,
Megan Coss 1:12:07
so it’s got to choose. The problem with it is, is, I think I’m wrong, but if you don’t buy it all at once, you’re going to have different colors. I’m okay with
1:12:17
the two bathrooms not matching in the hallway
Speaker 2 1:12:21
and then out here. Hallway and then out here, so different.
Speaker 7 1:12:26
That’s if we go to the news. That’s if we go to the new stuff. I only put the news
1:12:31
the new prices
Speaker 7 1:12:33
down today. I did not go back, as you guys were kind of talking, not to worry about the BCP, so I didn’t put the BCP first back on if it wasn’t that
1:12:46
much. Mm, hmm. Is the bathroom that bad?
Speaker 1 1:12:48
Yes, yeah. Alex, yeah, just because we’re going to have
Speaker 2 1:12:51
three different floors, the bathroom, the hallway and then out here.
Speaker 1 1:12:55
Well, no, the two bathrooms would be whatever
Speaker 2 1:13:00
it is, and you’re going to have a line, and then you’ll have a line, then
Speaker 1 1:13:03
down the road, when we want to replace the rest of the tile, that that should all match, we would make that all match. So I’m okay with the hallway not matching the bathroom.
Megan Coss 1:13:20
Well, I just wondered if we could price around. I mean, where, where was this from?
Speaker 7 1:13:25
That’s first floor titles. Price on that commercial, on that commercial. Great stuff that I had here. That
1:13:32
would be my concern. Would be, we chase shop
Speaker 5 1:13:38
commercially, Chief, you got that quote from first flooring in Akron? Yep, I can give you a big discount on
1:13:46
they were actually giving us the contractor first on that stuff.
1:13:49
They’ll give me more if you want BCP. I don’t want to
1:13:56
go that. That’s not the BCT. That’s the
1:14:00
Armstrong excellent. The
1:14:09
World discounts are on
1:14:15
free flowing
1:14:17
down fully. Do you tap your currency
1:14:20
installation too.
1:14:22
What’s that
1:14:24
you do? Township courtesy installation
1:14:27
too. We can talk about
1:14:32
it depends on how Yeah,
1:14:37
could go. Very handsome. Is you, yeah, we could talk
Speaker 6 1:14:53
to 600 I would say, go up to 600 just to see titles. Threshold
1:15:12
as level as possible.
Speaker 2 1:15:20
Can I’m not trying to be a jerk. No, I’m serious, not everybody knows
1:15:31
so much for
1:15:32
reading
1:15:37
over here I was I’m working see that.
Speaker 2 1:15:44
Oh, yeah, we had a whole conversation. Yeah, we have a conversation over Lake Melton. They want my shoe so they want Bucha up to what did they say 544,
1:16:02
of those stickers on it? They want them in
Megan Coss 1:16:04
an envelope. And an envelope would have cost happiness stamps.
Speaker 7 1:16:08
They said, If we they only like that. There was supposed to be another 46 cents per not in, not in an envelope. It’s only one stamp. So one stamp,
Speaker 2 1:16:22
but that was only from Newton Falls. Lake Miller, they sent us to buy the stamps. Didn’t Post
Speaker 7 1:16:30
Master General Newton Falls called me yesterday, yeah, and she was giving me all kinds of recon story back till next year. Yeah, it’s
1:16:37
over now. I mean, the reason posted event, I
Speaker 1 1:16:41
don’t even know it’s going to be 78 even at work. Yeah, they told us at work, like they’re going to try and get legislation signed, like we obviously county to try and make it where we can start doing it digitally or by email address, because the postage and just the issues we’re having, we can’t even get it checked out of categories without them returning it three times. So that’s three times. However, my postage is and it’s still not getting married. So I don’t know I like the flyers, but it really just like talking go door to door together.
1:17:22
Yeah. Public
1:17:28
Communication. Who would like to go?
1:17:33
Carolyn William
Speaker 8 1:17:35
question, when is the next zoning meeting? Is it first answer
Megan Coss 1:17:39
that, no, it is may 8, at seven o’clock. I’ll meet you here.
Speaker 8 1:17:46
Okay, so again, yeah, Megan, you will be here with you. Said information regarding agriculture, I just
Megan Coss 1:17:53
personally have a little list of things as a resident, you know, can, because of some of the issues we have, what can we define agriculture? I don’t know if we can or can, but can we we
1:18:11
already have it in the book,
Megan Coss 1:18:12
as defined as so many acres before you get one horse, one cow, one dog. Yeah, that that I would like to work on, and where the agriculture starts on your property a setback. There’s no setback, right? So, like Moon farms, it’s out of the road, chickens and goats and ducks swimming in the road. So and it has to be a residence, just like campers. Alright,
1:18:52
there’s no house that might be the acre farm with all my beef cattle on it.
Speaker 2 1:18:55
So that you have a residence, I do,
1:18:59
but it’s not. It’s a mile and a half pound early, but
Speaker 2 1:19:02
you own all the way up to that, no, not integral.
Speaker 6 1:19:08
So that one there, up here to get very far with, because there’s more people that have farms with animals on them. They don’t necessarily live there,
Megan Coss 1:19:17
but you have how many acres, so that makes it agriculture, but use it residents. Real careful. Yeah, I know, but we gotta do something, right? Because it’s getting worse, right? I agree with that, and I agree with what you’re saying. Too many animals on a rural piece of property, yeah, it’s an issue. You can regulate
Speaker 4 1:19:39
anything under five acres. You can regulate the setbacks of the buildings over five acres. We ask people to follow the setbacks, but they don’t have to
Speaker 5 1:19:54
Sandy. What do you call five acres past your five acres, or total property,
1:19:58
or five. Run it
1:20:01
Well, I would say total property,
Speaker 5 1:20:04
yeah. So if you have 100 acres and you’re pasturing the front two acres, then there’s a problem,
Speaker 2 1:20:09
right? I agree with you, but I don’t know
1:20:13
that they’re not using
Megan Coss 1:20:15
and like Moon farms, they’re that’s why I said residents. I wondered if that would work. But
1:20:22
I agree, depending, that would cause a lot of issues. But
Megan Coss 1:20:25
I wonder if the acreage would work there, if we made agriculture at a certain start of acreage. Can’t
Speaker 6 1:20:33
do that either, because you’re going to classify agriculture as somebody who has one horse or another.
1:20:39
That’s not agriculture.
Speaker 4 1:20:41
A big problem we have is people say they don’t have an agricultural building, and then I tell them the requirements, and they say, Okay, I’ll put a couple chickens in there. And it’s like, you cannot in agricultural building. You cannot put any license vehicles, no campers or anything like that. It has to be all agriculture
Megan Coss 1:21:07
uses. We’d be we’d be great if we had a building that we’re more worried about the livestock out the road.
Speaker 1 1:21:17
I’m not sure we can regulate setbacks on temporary structures either. I mean, a lot of these are just temporary structures. Tense,
1:21:26
true. You can
1:21:27
regulate the temporary structure, yeah.
Speaker 3 1:21:30
How about like John Thomas right after 76 that place too. They got all sorts of stuff going on over
Speaker 6 1:21:35
there. But again, just quickly by every angle, because you created one policy
1:21:45
Sure they do. So it’s pretty
1:21:47
bad. It’s multicast.
1:21:50
So those I think we’re on
1:21:53
the right track to start to look at it
Speaker 8 1:21:56
for sure. So my next question then, at the last meeting, it was mentioned that Sandy would send a letter to the residents at 9632 did you send a letter? And if not, what would that letter entail?
1:22:12
9632 William, the people
Speaker 8 1:22:14
in harassing was next door, yes, with all of the and you’re trying to get them for the agriculture aspect of things, we’re doing our best to get at them. For the past,
Speaker 4 1:22:25
I have not sent them a letter yet. No what would what would the letter
Speaker 8 1:22:31
entail if they aren’t at this point violating anything from the sounds of it, if there’s no
Speaker 4 1:22:38
violation, then I can’t, you know, if there’s no zoning violation, I can’t send them anything. They have to be in violation of zoning. So I have to be able to prove what they’re doing that’s not agricultural.
Speaker 5 1:22:54
So you drove by Sandy and you took pictures. Have you seen or found, or have thoughts of any violation. I’ve seen the WhatsApp. Have you seen any violations? I know that the last meeting, you did drive by and took a couple pictures. I did drive
Speaker 4 1:23:08
by and took pictures. Um, I did not see anything that stuck out. But, you know, I like I’ll keep watching and check in and see what five buildings. I know they had the dogs out there, but they were in the fence, and I noticed that they had their privacy fence there. Now, did you say it’s back towards the back, though, where there’s no where it’s like, open, right? No,
1:23:33
that’s their privacy fence they just built. I
Speaker 4 1:23:37
know. But did you say your privacy fence? Does it go all the way down to your property,
Speaker 1 1:23:41
or does it stop? No, not yet. It then stops.
Speaker 4 1:23:45
So between where it stops, then rest the way. Is it just there? Like electric fence, wire fence, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 1:23:56
Or privacy fence that they probably have to go another 12 1500 feet and another 1200 feet high, too, $3,000 and, oh, by the way, they’re not saying anything, but I know James did call me that their cat came limping back home with a bullet hole on it.
1:24:19
They shot my cat and a shot her cat
1:24:21
Well, well, it
1:24:24
wasn’t Ron Gordon one dean Hanley
Speaker 8 1:24:28
and I, I have spoken to Kevin the pro the prosecutor office. Kevin mayor, Detective, detective. I did send him five individual timestamps, pieces of evidence, video and photo of my cat, you know, heading in the direction of their yard. I didn’t have him coming back limping, but I did have a photo, a time stamped photo of the bullet hole, as well as we have on video the gunshot itself. I. So it’s within an hour, the sequence of events, and us
1:25:03
all playing outside, playing,
Speaker 2 1:25:06
I went right down. She called me and told me, I went right down. I’m like, two minutes away, and I was there.
Speaker 8 1:25:12
I’ve had the cat for nine years. It’s not like he was new to the neighborhood. Nobody’s new except for that
Speaker 7 1:25:21
shot was where they were there we were playing with my kids,
Speaker 8 1:25:25
so I filed a report, and again, I’ve I’m doing all I can I understand that’s not your issue, our issue. It just is the layer
Speaker 5 1:25:33
coincidences and to add what what I just told them when I walked in, sorry, I was late. My oldest daughter lives in Guernsey County. She always comes up with her two little girls and stays the night on Thursday. Well, lot of you know where I live, and we have the long driveway, so my daughter walks her little girls up and down the driveway my neighbors, which is in between us, pulled her aside and said, Well, is it okay if we come back with some treats for our dogs and train them to like you guys so they don’t market you guys?
1:26:15
Oh, isn’t that proof that that this is the one
1:26:17
eight hours a day. It’s eight hours a day. Wow,
Megan Coss 1:26:22
I’ve called them on Easter because those dogs never stopped. So that was noise ordinance type that we don’t have, which I do have noise ordinance on my list. I don’t know the zoning rules of noise ordinance. What does the game warden say? Did we?
1:26:40
Did I ask you this,
1:26:41
if you’ve tried the game, I mean, I’m sorry, dog one,
Speaker 3 1:26:46
nothing, call the sheriff and talk to the trustees. What the sheriff, the sheriff said,
Speaker 8 1:26:53
she said the record, it’s he said. She said, without any physical proof. You know, seeing her walking with the gun. But again, I did compile what I thought was significant evidence, and then crossing my fingers,
Speaker 5 1:27:12
do you still need to make reports of it? I did make a report, yes,
1:27:16
and then reached out to the prosecuting. Prosecutor.
1:27:20
We call the prosecutor’s office. Detective called back.
Speaker 1 1:27:24
I missed the last meeting. Sorry. So I’m just curious, are the dogs aggressive? Yes. Oh,
Speaker 8 1:27:31
this is while we’re playing ball, while we’re trying to this is right? And you can hear him growling. I mean, you can’t move right now, but we can growling as
1:27:44
well. My
Speaker 7 1:27:45
brother was there. My brother helped us put up the fence, and he saw what, what happens. I mean, just go driving, parking or driving,
1:27:51
come over. She
Speaker 6 1:27:56
walks up to the fence and pats the dog on the head. Good boy, good boy.
Speaker 3 1:28:02
This is constant. Yes, she hangs the dog on two bark.
1:28:10
Been there
1:28:13
for 13 years, tossing
Speaker 8 1:28:15
the ball, hitting the mitt. JJ, yelling.
1:28:19
So even though there’s a Ben,
1:28:21
what are they
Speaker 6 1:28:22
the dog is sitting in the corner, barking at a fence, waiting for a football fence barking.
Speaker 5 1:28:29
You ask, what are they barking at? A command. Noise, yeah, command. So, like, like I told you the last meeting. So you typically 1011, o’clock at night is when the dogs go in and stop barking. Then their woods come back along my driveway and they start cutting firewood at 10 3011, o’clock at night, yeah, with a little headlight, yes, until 1231 o’clock in the morning.
1:29:03
That’s why I wonder if we can create
Speaker 5 1:29:07
so Lydia, an air cannon that goes off every five minutes. Yeah, noise ordinance.
1:29:15
But I wonder if we created one zoning
1:29:18
so pretty at
Speaker 8 1:29:20
the zoning meeting that we were at, Lydia did say because we mentioned how Brits town has a dog parking ordinance, and the other township through Ben Johnston, Johnston, Lydia entertained the idea of like, a 30 minute dog parking ordinance. I don’t know what you know, so I sense because she advised that I put up cameras. So like, for instance, this evening, for the hour that we were outside and the dog was barking at us, I have footage of it specifically barking and, you know, recording, I don’t know if that’s what I would have to show to how. When you implement an ordinance of that sort, I don’t know who you notify, but I’m creating proof, which was recommended to me by Lydia.
Speaker 1 1:30:13
You shouldn’t have to. You shouldn’t have to live in fear and not let kids go outside. Oh, our kids can’t. It’s not okay. No, I don’t
1:30:20
know all the sheriff doesn’t do anything.
Speaker 5 1:30:26
All of us live in the country, and it’s not because we want to change it. No, I was ticked off when loves put a gas station. I hate it, the only exit that had nothing. I loved it. So we’re not complaining, because we want to change the smell of a hog farm smell, okay? No,
Megan Coss 1:30:50
they even got cameras. And the neighbors got cameras facing their house. So she called the sheriff, and it’s like, I have little kids here. Yeah, that
Speaker 8 1:31:02
was my first call to the deputy. So I and I put all of that into my email to Kevin, Mayor, the detective the Portage County. I said to please reference all three reports that I’ve made, the first regarding the videoing this to regarding the harassment from the dogs barking. But again, the deputies are, you know, they just say, all I can really say is that the dog was barking, you know, because they consider it civil. So he’s met with an attorney, and he says, Well, he says, you know, crazy neighbors. Honestly, I tell you to run for the hills, he says, because really, there’s just not a lot, from a legal standpoint, that can be done, and it’s costly. I mean, just to even initiate it, it’s over 3000 so we’re obviously not going to do that.
Speaker 1 1:31:59
Well, what about the cat. I mean, they they fired a weapon at a cat. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:32:04
it was, you’re not supposed to shoot that close to a house. But he said it was, there was no evidence that they
1:32:15
shot. Yeah, there’s a cat. He survived. God
Megan Coss 1:32:18
love him. But did you show the yet to the officer with him to the house, and what did he say? And you had the recording of her shooting, right? But
Speaker 8 1:32:28
at the time when he was there, I didn’t show him the the footage, because James had to take JJ to football practice. So it was a very hectic moment. He had to leave. I just,
Speaker 5 1:32:41
well, I don’t know quick, I think the rules and regs with hunting is what, 75 feet or 100 feet from a dwelling or a road, you’re not allowed to discharge 100 feet, 100 feet. So why, if the ODNR has something like that, I would think that our sheriff’s deputy would know that he
1:33:06
didn’t see bullet.
1:33:10
2222 nice. I know,
1:33:14
I know if my animals
Speaker 1 1:33:17
on your property imposes a threat to but it’s a cat. Is it legal to shoot
Speaker 8 1:33:23
someone’s hat. It was adjoining woods. All of their their happy farm is clear on the other side, alongside Ron’s poultry. I don’t think it’s legal, so you’ve turned all of that in. Kevin said, yeah, it could be a misdemeanor, one
1:33:41
or two. So okay, just make
1:33:43
the lady, it’ll
Speaker 6 1:33:44
make it bark more, yeah, just like Ron said, they want Ron to feed a treat
Speaker 5 1:33:49
so it doesn’t bark at him. Well, what about us? Alright, so here’s something else that come up over the weekend. You got a hold of me, Sandy, what is a zoning violation of burning trash.
1:34:02
Easter Sunday, our trash
1:34:06
was can I burn
Speaker 4 1:34:09
carpet and bath bombs. There’s no burning first. So,
Speaker 2 1:34:22
oh, I Ben Steven Henry, now
Speaker 6 1:34:27
there’s a burn ban right now from 6am
1:34:32
to 6pm
Speaker 2 1:34:33
after bird after six minutes drive.
1:34:42
Bird, different,
1:34:46
absolutely.
Speaker 9 1:34:48
So what happens when they get caught burning trash? You guys and fighting about it, we can
1:34:53
get excited that causes.
Speaker 1 1:35:06
Album, and they’re like, Yeah, but just like, you could probably get excited, how do
1:35:12
you find an open
1:35:16
burn and sound by,
1:35:22
Yeah, it’s probably six. It
1:35:39
has a distinct smell.
1:35:50
I mean,
1:35:52
so she’s like he’s in my house.
Speaker 8 1:35:56
That’s the other issue, but I would almost guarantee you’re going to have the same issue with your next resident. So if it isn’t resolved, somehow it’s going to continue, because the next person who moves in isn’t going
Speaker 5 1:36:13
so by the way, if my lovely neighbors do sell their house, they’re probably not going to get what the house, no, because a new buyer is going to pay a hell of a lot less. Okay? Oh, by the way, is a sudden comp that will affect everybody in this room’s property value just not theirs, right?
Speaker 2 1:36:35
So let me ask you this. Carolyn, I know this is like tough, but have you tried just knocking on her front door and saying, we need to figure this out? I did
1:36:48
after she shot my cat and W tiff me, we
Speaker 2 1:36:51
tiff went to her, you did. And we said, Can’t we discuss this? I really pushed it. I said, this is ridiculous. You can’t be shooting at cats. And I said, Let’s talk this over. We can write peacefully here, right? I did everything. She turns around. She doesn’t speak away. She will not speak
Speaker 8 1:37:16
I tried her wife said, we’ve been out here mucking our barn, pig barn. Sorry about your cat.
1:37:28
Where’s this at
Speaker 2 1:37:30
on Easter Sunday. So we’ve tried, like, just the face to face. Somebody’s gotta give
1:37:37
Yeah, on Easter they are probably 10.
1:37:42
That’s our zoning stuff that they have tents. They got
1:37:44
three, those big car ports up front. It’s all tents. They have pigs, overheats,
1:37:55
regulations, municipalities about cardboard.
Speaker 7 1:38:00
They have three just in that one in the corner of our house. But then, well, their dogs having babies, of course, yeah. So they built this dome. They don’t black bisque wing, fine,
1:38:09
does anybody? Yeah?
1:38:15
And so she wouldn’t talk. She knows.
Speaker 8 1:38:19
I tried. I’ve communicated. I can have text messages. I haven’t my thread since the day I met her, and at a certain point, when she switched, she no longer responds to me. So I’ve I’ve never called her. Well, I after she refused to speak to me after shooting my cat, I did call her a coward because it was ridiculous that she wouldn’t even speak. But I’ve never otherwise, I’ve never been rude to her.
Speaker 2 1:38:48
It was so bad on Easter Sunday, I came from church at 12 o’clock. It was going on there. I didn’t know what in the world they were doing. I thought, What are they doing? I just went by their house. I don’t even see anybody there. We have to leave at eight or nine o’clock at night. I got a hold of you, and she says, I’m not home. I said, Well, they’re barking at something, at wrongs. They’re in the back part there. I didn’t know what, but it went on from 12 o’clock when I got home, probably before that, until eight or nine that night.
1:39:24
It was 11 O’clock. Sunday, it was 11.
Speaker 5 1:39:30
No moms. About every three five seconds, there’s a mark. We got eight hours
1:39:35
one, right? Yeah,
1:39:37
but it’s
Speaker 7 1:39:37
the mail. It marks the most we we got hours of camera footage if you
1:39:41
want to listen to it, so the dogs don’t come on your property. Oh
Speaker 2 1:39:47
no, but there’s a little space in your fence right up there by that tree. Mm, hmm. And whenever I’m there, those dogs are they stay at that little spot that you can just see their head and. And they sit there and they bark, it’s
1:40:03
getting off the bus.
1:40:05
Soon as the bus comes, there it goes. Condition.
1:40:10
So she trained
Speaker 8 1:40:13
zoning. We’ll come to the zoning meeting again. I know Lydia
Speaker 4 1:40:19
information at the zoning meeting, brookstown has an ordinance on dogs barking after they bark so long, yes, then, then now it’s like a violation.
Megan Coss 1:40:33
So then it’s a violation. So then when they call the police and the dog Warden, they have to do so they have to address it, because it’s part of our law, our zoning rules,
Speaker 8 1:40:45
and that’s the protocol. Because that was my other question was, if there is an ordinance in place, what are the proper
1:40:51
then we the orders like,
Speaker 6 1:40:53
just like most towns, it says enforceable. Why enforceable?
1:40:58
Yes. Okay, so
Speaker 1 1:41:00
I think first step is the Zoning Commission has to agree that they want to add that right,
Speaker 4 1:41:04
and they have to ask that regulation. And I, I mentioned them doing that that night, but they said they wanted to wait till the next meeting to work on something. And
Megan Coss 1:41:16
James found it in woods towns and printed that off, and I think, turn that into Sandy, right? So there is where it’s already written at another township that
1:41:27
has township too.
Megan Coss 1:41:30
So bring that with you to the zone. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:41:33
I already gave them the whole words town zoning book. Oh, you did
Speaker 5 1:41:37
well, that came one particular section. Does anybody know, Sandy? Did you read it the the roots talent zoning on that. I mean, what is their protocol? One violation to 100 there’s nothing. You just keep finding them. It’s every
1:41:54
day. No,
Speaker 4 1:41:56
it would, it would be, it would be the same as any other violation. You got one violation if you don’t
Speaker 5 1:42:03
second, bonus, 250, or whatever, such and so forth. Well,
Speaker 4 1:42:08
it depends on what they decide to write in the book, right? But if they don’t comply, then, you know, then, yeah, they’ll get fined, then they’d have to go to court, so a week and
Speaker 7 1:42:21
after the sale property, committed. So that needs to be done, because the person, if we sell, because we’re getting a HELOC and all that other stuff to buy a house, it has to be done for the next neighbor. If this doesn’t get resolved, and we’re going forth with moving too, because I can’t, I can’t live like this.
1:42:45
My community, my kids crowded over outside
Speaker 6 1:42:48
their bodies. It sounds like, it sounds like there’s possibly some movement next. So, yeah, right, yeah, that’s pretty common, right? They want time to digest it. Think about the ins and the outs. So, I mean, I would, I would see what they have to say, yeah, the next meeting, and see if there’s any traction from there. Thank you. Anything else I just had one last comment about the district.
1:43:21
Well, we did this before.
Speaker 6 1:43:24
We started with five, we own. It down to just do because they my recommendation.
1:43:41
What you’re looking for in my district is not
Speaker 10 1:43:48
to where different
Speaker 9 1:43:58
levels are. To
1:44:21
get the quality of service,
Speaker 2 1:44:25
but how are they going to give a different quality of
1:44:29
service? How to make them
1:44:36
better and more people?
Speaker 6 1:44:41
And more people, because not every squad was a time respect for anybody’s
Speaker 2 1:44:50
house as we would start with two houses, a new
1:44:56
fire station at this point would
Megan Coss 1:44:59
be no. You said we would like two houses. So am I right? We’re just staged everywhere else. And
Speaker 6 1:45:10
I agree with everything you’re saying, Henry, except, well, I’m still concerned. You started with five last we didn’t know, and it trickled down to something more, man, so my brain, where my brain goes, and this is just hypothetical. You’re creating a triangle, right? Yeah, you don’t have to look in the building, new station. We don’t
Megan Coss 1:45:41
need another station. Regardless, he did say they are, no, I understand that. If this, he did say, if we’re going to do this, they are not building a new station. They’re only building a new station. And we don’t do that. But
Speaker 6 1:45:53
here’s my so. So we Edinburgh stats, 24/7, Deerfield stats, the other three don’t, and now you’re going to say three call centers, what you said, so they’re planning on staffing two pods.
1:46:16
Figured out.
1:46:19
You said three to 500 Edward, 24/7
Speaker 7 1:46:27
No, it’s not. They don’t have 24/7 100%
1:46:32
no more than we have 100% reduction
Speaker 1 1:46:41
cost. Have a reduction in cost service. That’s what
Megan Coss 1:46:45
he said. This is about revenue. Who the patient or who? When you call 911, you don’t care who shows up, just so somebody. Well, theoretically,
Speaker 6 1:46:55
the idea is, even if they’re even if they’re over Edinburg for the night, that is faster than what Chief drive squad has to go in front of every Township. So Charleston may vote it down. Denver may vote it down. Just read say, Yes, I don’t know if it passes that yesterday, last time It
1:47:21
failed the month for this because we just now,
Speaker 6 1:47:50
say, but the whole thing of paying for that so
Megan Coss 1:47:55
this, this gentleman, Randy Porter, was very knowledgeable. He’s the one that’s coming to talk like he made everything. He said, You guys don’t really have to do that. Maybe I could get you going, and maybe they this come into your group or put together. I think it’s Lake Milton. And starts with a C Jackson Milton. They’re considered the district something. He got them up this group that they want six,
1:48:29
you know?
Megan Coss 1:48:36
Yeah, so they, that’s why they want. They they want to have the same faces. Now, what they’re
Speaker 6 1:48:41
asking for now keyboard, because you can have a board,
Megan Coss 1:48:48
right? They’re trying to put together so that they have the same representatives. Every
Speaker 6 1:48:53
lobby Jim went, every time he reported back to us. So that
1:48:57
wasn’t, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 1:49:01
It’s our job, and every other township involved, to teach the residents that it’s not their money paying for this. It’s the greater good of we had plenty of Open Meetings residents there and whatnot. But still, my buddy that’s all,
Speaker 2 1:49:21
well, I don’t even know that. I’ve discovered just a
1:49:30
district form each township will
1:49:33
contribute,
Megan Coss 1:49:35
but we’re still going to be paying our chief in Paris, chief in Atwater, Chief. There’s a chief charge.
Speaker 6 1:49:44
It’s just like the school board, your tax base, paid that out. We do not manage the school. All the firefighting money. That’s exactly how the district, the township, then this board, yeah, whatever else that’s. You will no longer have any say in
1:50:04
the residency,
1:50:06
Joe retirement.
1:50:09
We would have to
1:50:13
it is the use of the building, which we find, whatever.
1:50:23
Oh, yeah,
1:50:27
the crisis is here.
1:50:31
When the staffing crisis, it’s been like
1:50:39
dogs you
Speaker 6 1:50:41
go to open the public pure black with physical I’m sorry, the meetings that you attend up in Ember,
Megan Coss 1:50:50
not yet, is my understanding. And I’m not really sure the one that we’re having him come talk. I don’t know I know that, but I don’t
1:51:05
think no different than your
Speaker 6 1:51:09
insurance guy, just a couple people that are here take that information. Yeah, yeah. It’s not a bit out the public or not. I agree you don’t have to make a special deal about coming, because it’s an open public meeting anyway,
1:51:30
and you put everything on your agenda up there
Speaker 6 1:51:34
to the public. Is it a good idea? See you next Ben, I’ll say, just like the dog. You have to say who you are, and
1:51:46
it’s going to look
1:51:52
pretty bad this morning every time what
1:52:00
Ben says, under
Speaker 1 1:52:06
Ohio Revised Township, trustees have the authority to adopt and enforce resolutions to control dogs within the township. However, if the county has already adopted such resolutions, the county’s regulations take precedence. I’m not sure there’s a county. There’s a Portage County enforcement for dogs, but I’ll look up,
Speaker 6 1:52:29
because the sheriff saying you can’t do it. I think so, if there was a human already, yeah,
Speaker 1 1:52:33
but then this says Ohio township trustees have the authority to adopt and enforce resolutions to control dogs, but if the county has a resolution that takes precedence, so I need to research that and understand what that means. I’ll look into
Speaker 3 1:52:47
it. Very good. The deputies say they’re just there to arrest bad guys. What do you tell you? Everything else?
1:52:59
Yeah, we need to do it. Let’s do okay, I’m gonna
Speaker 1 1:53:02
make a motion to move into convenient and Executive Session. Percent to revisit one, two, 1.22 g1 for the purpose of considering discipline of a public official or public
1:53:17
employer officials. Second,
1:53:22
yeah. Yes.
Speaker 8 1:53:24
Megan, Lilia, the valley is next to your car. Oh, you’re in the past, little buds. So I hope they survive. I thank
Speaker 2 1:53:33
you. I won’t dig them out this time to report at this
1:53:42
time. From the Executive
Speaker 6 1:53:45
Session. All right? Anything else? Public Communication, safety concerns. I want to
Speaker 9 1:53:49
talk to you after Nick you just want a small it doesn’t matter. I feel like I’m in an interview right now, and I’m talking all of you,
1:53:58
if you wanted to talk about the
1:53:59
fire district, yeah, everybody said something like, I don’t see how the house response time,
1:54:16
yes, Yeah, yes, I
Speaker 9 1:54:19
do like as it is. Now, if I don’t know Paris, hit the call where most people aren’t going, we’re taking their calls nine times out of 10. So they their first set of tones. Five minutes later, they get their second set. Five minutes later, we get done. There’s a whole 10 minutes, and I have to drive the whole 10 minutes, 20 minutes of like someone is maybe dead. Okay, they’re gonna stay dead in 20 minutes.
Megan Coss 1:54:46
Okay, so that makes sense. But so now there’s five districts, so the far corner of Deerfield to the far corner your your response tends even. Worse, yeah, right, that’s where I’m afraid of this, too. So the guy
1:55:05
feels a bad idea than
1:55:08
me every but they’re considered the
Speaker 6 1:55:11
southeast district. Township is the same geographical size. It feels like it’s far every Township is the same.
Megan Coss 1:55:23
Those kids that live over where divinda bolus that right the Arsenal on the other side of the ocean, if you cross over the arsenal and keep going, they’re all southeast. So to get from just say, because he said he has in his mind that will start with two Hall, two houses. He called them Palmyra, say, and Deerfield. Deerfield, yeah, so just say, I’m not. I didn’t mean, I meant Paris. Paris sounds like and Paris and Palmyra are two houses, okay, warehouse, everybody out of those two locations, but around the clock staging.
Speaker 9 1:56:03
Yeah, here’s the so you’re going to sit clear
Megan Coss 1:56:07
over here on the other side of the far corner of deer field, and she’s going to sit over here, and Mark’s going to sit over here. But,
Speaker 2 1:56:19
yes, the reason is this because that allows that response time cut in half.
Speaker 9 1:56:26
So like there was one night it, it was one of our calls. Nobody showed up, and it got shown to Edinburgh, it got toned to Paris, it got bounced to Deerfield, it got bounced to Atwater, and they finally picked it up. Yeah, so that’s like five minutes, 10 minutes every station that is a that’s a long time.
Megan Coss 1:56:47
And so that’s what you said, and that’s what you said. It isn’t about the money, it’s about the responses, yeah, it’s so I agree with that, but how being a district with that have changed it, because you still have to send out those tones.
1:57:01
Everybody’s in that district to
1:57:05
the same people, but the
1:57:08
you’re not
Speaker 6 1:57:09
weeping, they know department to pick it up. The fifth department is the first department, and they’re taking
Speaker 2 1:57:15
so why can’t tones all go out at once? I’m sorry. Yeah, right now. So
1:57:26
that’s the way it works.
1:57:29
Resolve that issue by
Speaker 9 1:57:33
if we, if we can everyone, and we have multiple responses from everyone. Now you’re wasting resources.
Speaker 2 1:57:39
Whoever takes it. Whoever says you’re still wasting the resource, because you got all these guys coming out? No, it’s not waste. I’m the one having
Megan Coss 1:57:51
the heart attack, driving in one seat, no, and then you get a cold. But you don’t, because on this app that they’re all on it show you see who is, who’s looked you see it?
1:58:03
This guy doesn’t care about that. Like, if I’m not responding, that’s just her.
Speaker 2 1:58:05
These all say, Watch respond. So soon as you saw that, you know not to go, what
1:58:12
do you think? Like, if I saw that, Jesus going, yeah.
Megan Coss 1:58:16
So say, everybody gets toned at once. Everybody gets toned at once, and you pull this up, just like what I do, and Oh, Mark went, you know, you’re not going,
1:58:29
that’s just not something that I don’t think anyone
Speaker 2 1:58:33
has ever done that. But maybe it should versus
Speaker 6 1:58:38
do that, you would just continue on the district and let it be set with with particular policies guidelines.
Megan Coss 1:58:47
Here’s my reason for it, because you have to give mutual aid anyways. So why join that?
Speaker 6 1:58:55
Because then somebody would just stop, like we would just stop staffing. We go, well,
1:59:01
they’ll pick it up. Deerfield, did
Speaker 9 1:59:03
you guys have somebody on the prayer today? But dear, right? That’s not what you want. But Deerfield did do that.
Megan Coss 1:59:12
They went down to one employee, right? No, they weren’t. They were unemployed before, for years. No, remember, it was the big, big, oh, it was a big, big deal when
Speaker 9 1:59:25
they always found one employee. But regardless, it’s still like somebody can start care and then call, yeah. So, like we
Megan Coss 1:59:32
had all the people come in here questioning the the board of Deerfield came in here and questioned if we were no longer going to service that it was rumored. We said no that that never happened, because they they chose to have one full time employee and no other staff. But
1:59:52
as long as you have one, you can still
Speaker 6 1:59:55
use star care. You can go start beat up and chest.
1:59:59
Having a good time.
2:00:14
These compressions
Speaker 9 2:00:19
are still getting stuck. I guess the whole point is rapid compression and rapid shock, and you can do that all by yourself. You just can’t move on. Or yeah, which sucks, but nine times out of 10 you stay in there anyways, you don’t need to transport them. So why
2:00:33
don’t we go to one person,
Speaker 2 2:00:36
24 a day? I thought dare Ben did, and it cost a huge stink.
Speaker 9 2:00:40
I mean, always have to have someone else show up. We
Megan Coss 2:00:43
have this conversation. Remember, it was me that wanted around the clock, and they said that you can’t you have to have somebody else respond.
2:00:52
It makes it talk. It would it makes it
2:00:58
different. Ben, I was the one. Remember,
Speaker 6 2:01:05
that was me. What I would prefer is, if we were to
2:01:09
try something like that, but
Speaker 6 2:01:12
I would say we have an agreement. Deerfield staffs one, we staff one, then your agreement is, now you are too right?
Megan Coss 2:01:24
Do that on our own. Back when we started the stipend, I said Mark works all day, and then we could do four or five hour shifts throughout the night of one person and the other person is the stipend. And everybody was like, no, no, because if that other person doesn’t show up, you can’t do anymore.
Speaker 9 2:01:41
So the problem is, like, I got a fire call the other day. I saw myself vehicle fire. It’s like I was screwed. I hope somebody comes, because I’m going to be it’s gonna be bad. It’s gonna be bad time when you’re by yourself and something on fire, it’s not a good time because now you’re doing everything. Mm hmm, like a little key. Shut up. But
2:02:04
still, what would happen if chief didn’t show up? I would have
Speaker 9 2:02:06
had to get somebody else to roll. I would have had to start rolling.
Megan Coss 2:02:09
And is that mean sending out drivers to other
Speaker 9 2:02:14
then I would have to do everything. So like you have your set engineer, your driver who is running everything on the truck, and you have a set person, you’re really supposed to have two on the nozzle doing all the grunt work while the other guy runs the truck. But two is fine, but if you only have one, you gotta do everything. It’s gonna be so much more time. You can’t, really, you can’t go into your vehicle. Fire is fine. But
Speaker 6 2:02:41
if Chief, are we doing life saving in this particular instance or not? And you can’t, we don’t decide that right to call us. So
Speaker 9 2:02:52
it’s just not a good idea for one person. It’s always a bad time when you’re by a show,
Speaker 2 2:02:59
alright? So when we’re staging these people because Bible districts.
Speaker 9 2:03:03
Are they saying that we’re going to sit on the corner in
2:03:07
the squad?
Megan Coss 2:03:08
Yeah, that’s the way I’ve done is that what they mean by staging? Ask mark. Ask Mark tomorrow. What they mean by staging?
2:03:18
I think it is. Oh, man. And this
Megan Coss 2:03:22
is what Mark’s response was. He said, Jeff. Jeff Bixler is the one that ran the meeting. He said, Jeff. So we are whatever it was Jeff was asking for. Mark said, we are doing a little bit of what you’re referring to us and Paris and Edinburg now send each other the schedules. Yeah, we know who is where, yeah. And Jeff Bixler said, you do how do you do that? Mark said, We fax it. He’s Oh no. He said, I didn’t know that. I didn’t know you guys were doing that. They faxed the schedule.
Speaker 9 2:04:01
Yes, if I myself, this is really bad. If you say dispatch, send me a minute, they’re gonna be like, where they’re gonna be like, I don’t know. And they’re gonna be like, I don’t know.
2:04:16
Will you fax yourself the schedule?
Megan Coss 2:04:17
He said they fax it so Paris knows who’s working when, Edinburg knows what. So all the other townships know who’s at Palmira and when.
Speaker 1 2:04:28
So when you start your shift, do you look at that in the mornings, if you’re by yourself, or you like
Speaker 9 2:04:32
I look at it when I miss someone, because it’s to know who’s where we only have the three beds.
Megan Coss 2:04:37
And Jeff pixler said, Oh, so you are kind of doing that. I didn’t know that was taking place. So it I think that put the flame out of that whole staging idea. When Mark said, we are doing something, we’re all faxing, and then Deerfield said, we’re not doing that. And Mark said, because you guys don’t respond, you are down to one step. Have
Speaker 9 2:05:00
to do. They don’t send it to us anymore, right? Because they don’t get it every now and then.
Megan Coss 2:05:05
And he said, what’s the trustee’s name? The guy, Deerfield Dean, said, I’ll fix
2:05:14
that. That’s because they only
Speaker 6 2:05:18
have one so they don’t want to use their resource helping somebody else, right? Even though they have
Megan Coss 2:05:22
to ask for that reason. That’s why they all came to that meeting one day. Ed Dean said, so Rumor has it, because we went down to one, you’re not going to send them. It
Speaker 6 2:05:32
wasn’t a word one. They’ve been one for long. When I was in the fire department, they were one. Yes, that rumor happened because of administration change. That’s well, supposedly, but they’ve been out in the one one for 15 years. Well, he just
Megan Coss 2:05:46
found out that they’re not part of the faxing that’s going on. They are.
Speaker 9 2:05:52
We all decided to em. They don’t. The rumor is they don’t like us. It’s kind of like
Speaker 1 2:05:59
this is why I worry the fire district will never work. And I didn’t understand this when I moved out here. Everyone said, like, and obviously, this is softball, but like, you guys will never be able to immersion. I’m like, well, that’s silly, yeah. Well, I have lesson learned.
Megan Coss 2:06:14
I just can’t wrap my head around it. I gotta be honest, everybody that has been in our position before that, I know is all for it. They say it’s going to be the new way. I just don’t understand it. Why do I go 10 like I’m some
2:06:30
expert either? I don’t
Speaker 2 2:06:34
really know. So right now, right now, everybody’s calling me dinner in bed, and phones go off. How being pretend we’re a district. How did that change? Those tones are still going off, and everybody’s still at
Speaker 9 2:06:45
home. Well, 24 hour shifts, their
2:06:50
staff, 24 hours.
Speaker 2 2:06:53
And because you’re taking, where is that money coming from? That’s any different than the money we have?
2:06:59
You’re taking. You’re taking.
Speaker 1 2:07:03
It doesn’t matter, though. Megan, once they meet the district, they will put the levy on for every resident within the district. So if you live in Edinburgh, if you live in Palmyra, if you live in this and you own $100,000 house, you’re gonna pay into the same pot.
Speaker 2 2:07:20
Is everybody, and then you don’t pay in the Palmyra township anymore. No,
2:07:27
they’re private money, yes, and only
Speaker 6 2:07:38
staffing two so your your pocket increases. Number of buildings went down, and
Speaker 1 2:07:48
that’s how. But then they have the lease out stuff, I’m assuming, because of where we’re located,
2:07:56
with the school and stuff, we wouldn’t be a building, and Edinburgh
2:07:58
is not going to replace the building and that year. Now,
Megan Coss 2:08:01
well, he called him houses, his 1000 in my mind, we would start with two houses. You can’t have all the staff in two houses. Well,
2:08:10
you only have two at a time, or
2:08:14
whatever. Yeah, 50 people. It’s not hospital staffing.
Speaker 2 2:08:22
Well, five, five departments. How many employees do you I
Speaker 6 2:08:28
mean, we have 14. We only staff two so and
Speaker 1 2:08:31
there’s not going to be five fire chiefs. Someone’s going to get the Oh,
Megan Coss 2:08:36
yeah, they said that. And you your job. There’s going to be a fiscal there’s going to be Oh yeah, and
2:08:48
we’re going to need to fix the Patent, yeah, I just came from work. Oh, what’s it? I just came from work. Oh, what’s
2:09:05
his Oh, so do you know the guy I’ve been talking about? Are you talking
2:09:08
about Nick, Randy?
Megan Coss 2:09:14
Randy Porter, oh, Charlestown. You said ran off, sorry.
2:09:18
Oh, well, that’s all I got for you guys.
2:09:24
Make a motion to Oh, yeah,
2:09:26
you know, and do not affect
2:09:29
you. Did you stop?
